Halloween Ends drops 80% in 2nd weekend

[Joe_Grizzly]

The issue people have raised is the way in which DGG used the character of Michael Myers as a means to an end. Pun intended.

You’re correct, Michael’s presence was reduced to little more than a plot device. That, from a rabid fan base of Myers enthusiasts, is the problem.

That is what is amusing about it. Legions of impulsive fans who are furious about the movie going in the inevitable direction it needed to. Could Michael have racked up a few more kills along the way? Sure. Could the plot have focused more on him? Sure. But for the sake of ambiguity and leaving the franchise open for further potential, it was the only real way to go. And so you put the character development and symbiotic relationship with Michael on his potential predecessor or at very least symbolic torch carrier, which fits the narrative of the town being the real carrier of evil. Which, despite what dense fans think, is 100% relevant to the last 2 films. You just have to have some attention span, lol.

“…despite what dense fans think…” … “You just have to have some attention span…”

Case in point. For some reason you feel the need to subtly (or not so subtly) put others down when making a point. That’s not cool, dude, and that’s precisely why I felt the need to reply to your comments and completely dismantle your position all while showing you and your ideas respect. Proving a point doesn’t have to resort to name-calling or belittlement. That’s what Lawson Graves was saying a page or two ago, and that’s the sentiment I’m echoing.

Perhaps I lack a little more articulation than I like, but a spade has to be called a spade. Ironically, a lot of people who are turned off by this, in my observation, tend to fall in the “Fuck your feelings” and “Everyone is too sensitive these days” crowd, who show their lack of self-awareness.

The only way you can improve yourself is to hear the truth about yourself. I know what my flaws are for the most part and I try to work on them. But the truth is people’s opinions DO often contradict facts. If someone says 2 plus 2 is 5… sorry, but I’m not staying quiet. And if I’m provably wrong about something I would always want to be called out on it and educated because I always want to learn and improve. Perhaps I need a more subtle way to correct people but it truth definitely needs to take precedence over nursing egos.

Incidentally, when people are actually thoughtful enough to know how to debate and have a discussion, I tend to get along pretty well with them and enjoy the discussion without feeling like I am wasting my time. You have been such an example.

[The_Demon_Bishop]

I hate to tell everyone this, but…

It’s not about the time, it’s more about the lack of his presence throughout the movie.

Metaphorically, his presence is felt more than in any other Halloween film, and that is arguably the entire point.

[Nightstalker]

Green was one of the worst possible choices for this franchise. His idea of a “love story” is the same as Rian Johnson’s: deconstruct and intentionally piss off longtime fans for the sake of “subverting expectations” and scoring woke points.


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[Joe_Grizzly]

It’s not about the time, it’s more about the lack of his presence throughout the movie.

Metaphorically, his presence is felt more than in any other Halloween film, and that is arguably the entire point.

Um, OK. If you want to laugh at a simple, accurate observation, feel free. That was literally the point of the movie and was even said in Laurie’s voice over. The evil of Michael had gripped Haddonfield and had an effect on its people. Hell, between that and Michael regenerating feeding on people to get his energy back (open to this being either literal or metaphorical), it drew some parallels with IT.

Biggest problem with people is simply not listening. Like I said, Laurie even stated this at the beginning of the film. “That makes no sense!” Ugh.

[The_Demon_Bishop]

Metaphorically, his presence is felt more than in any other Halloween film, and that is arguably the entire point.

Um, OK. If you want to laugh at a simple, accurate observation, feel free. That was literally the point of the movie and was even said in Laurie’s voice over. The evil of Michael had gripped Haddonfield and had an effect on its people. Hell, between that and Michael regenerating feeding on people to get his energy back (open to this being either literal or metaphorical), it drew some parallels with IT.

Biggest problem with people is simply not listening. Like I said, Laurie even stated this at the beginning of the film. “That makes no sense!” Ugh.

[theHEDGE]

Metaphorically, his presence is felt more than in any other Halloween film, and that is arguably the entire point.

Um, OK. If you want to laugh at a simple, accurate observation, feel free. That was literally the point of the movie and was even said in Laurie’s voice over. The evil of Michael had gripped Haddonfield and had an effect on its people. Hell, between that and Michael regenerating feeding on people to get his energy back (open to this being either literal or metaphorical), it drew some parallels with IT.

Biggest problem with people is simply not listening. Like I said, Laurie even stated this at the beginning of the film. “That makes no sense!” Ugh.

You raise a good point about the parallels to IT. I hadn’t made that connection, myself. Although, I sort of like to think the scene when Michael sort of shivers after he made that kill isn’t necessarily him “regenerating” in a supernatural sense, but rather, a real, psychotic, deeply disturbing reaction he has to murder. Like he gets off on it. It pleasured him in some way. Like a massive hit of dopamine. It makes him so much scarier when you watch the scene with that mindset.

Like you said, this is open to a literal interpretation or a metaphorical one. I lean more toward metaphorical. The trilogy is packed with metaphor in this regard.

Not that you need to hear it, but I try to remind people that DGG himself has said, over and over again, that Michael Myers is not a supernatural entity. As Corey and Laurie both say at different times in the film, Michael is just a man in a Halloween mask. Albeit, a deeply, deeply disturbed, and evil man.

[ILove10aflyViper]

Totally agree with the idea that Michael’s presence is felt throughout the entire movie. His shadow looms over everything that happens. I can definitely see how this could ruffle the feathers of folks who just want a stalk and slash. Lord knows I would have been happy with that too, if it were well-done. I think this trilogy is really neat though, and I’ve never felt anything but love for the franchise from these movies.

In any case, I doubt DGG (and Rian Johnson) devoted years to intentionally pissing off fans.

[ColdBlooded_Killer]

I absolutely loved the movie.

[Pyratescoin]

Um, OK. If you want to laugh at a simple, accurate observation, feel free. That was literally the point of the movie and was even said in Laurie’s voice over. The evil of Michael had gripped Haddonfield and had an effect on its people. Hell, between that and Michael regenerating feeding on people to get his energy back (open to this being either literal or metaphorical), it drew some parallels with IT.

Biggest problem with people is simply not listening. Like I said, Laurie even stated this at the beginning of the film. “That makes no sense!” Ugh.

Grizzly is right on the money. Myers is metaphorically felt throughout the entire movie without actually being there, very much like the 78 movie; he didn’t have much screen time but was still felt everywhere. He literally haunted the entire town of Haddonfield in one way or another. Everyone was aware of him and scared of him in some sense or another.

Just some things I wanted to add after reading through all the comments here -

I felt like the addition of Corey’s story in the third act of the trilogy was perfect timing. If you began his story in the 2018 movie, it would’ve felt way too long and dragged out. This isn’t a TV show. We got one great movie with him. That’s all we needed. His story was told, and it was to the point.

I also feel like Corey’s story wasn’t so “random” after all, as he had a lot to do with the overall story of this trilogy and for both Michael and Laurie. Again, because of Corey, we could explore Michael and Laurie with deeper dynamics than ever before. It allowed Laurie to almost exchange dialogue with that very evil she’s faced since the beginning. (Just listen to her conversations with Corey towards the movie’s end. She may as well have been talking to Myers. In a way, this was foreshadowed in 2018, when that British reporter was trying to get Laurie to confront Myers to “free herself.” What even is Myers? According to Dr. Loomis, he’s nothing but “pure evil” - everything Myers represents, symbolizes, and is.) Allyson was also a major character in the trilogy as she was obviously the last of Laurie’s bloodline to survive; the relationship she shared with Corey was metaphorical for the darkness to which Laurie had introduced her family. I didn’t see him as this random new story that had nothing to do with anything. He had everything to do with, represent, and symbolize the same themes that the 78 movie (and the trilogy as a whole) toyed with.

[ColinSlippers]

I really didn’t like the movie at all, it was so corny. Corn ball material. Go watch lifetime tv for crying out loud. Chick flicks are better than this. I don’t know why anyone would waste time trying to convince people it was good and belittle and patronize them saying “oh it went over ur head” the ego some of these fans give themselves in attempt to feel superior because they are fighting so hard to enjoy this movie is hilarious

[doctormixter]

I absolutely loved the movie.

As did I, Chad. I’ve seen it more times than I care to admit. Not flawless, and there are certainly a few things I would have liked to have been done differently, but I’ve yet to be bored of it, at any point in the film, and after multiple viewings.

I really didn’t like the movie at all, it was so corny. Corn ball material. Go watch lifetime tv for crying out loud. Chick flicks are better than this. I don’t know why anyone would waste time trying to convince people it was good and belittle and patronize them saying “oh it went over ur head” the ego some of these fans give themselves in attempt to feel superior because they are fighting so hard to enjoy this movie is hilarious

I’ve been observing a lot on this board and elsewhere, but posting very little. From what I’ve seen, the ego is on both sides. Both sides are trying to convince the other that Ends is objectively good or objectively bad, which is a futile effort in both regards. Some are more tactful than others. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but some comments have frankly been embarassing on both sides (not saying this of you, Colin - just speaking generally). But this has been par for the course for every Halloween film that’s been released since I joined this board.

I do wonder if the reception would be more positive if the trilogy began with something more like Ends, and built from there. I think some of the negative response comes from the film being something of a bizarre conclusion to its predecessors.

As for corn, for me personally, 2018 and Kills are the cob compared to Ends.

[DarknessBDJM]

Hopefully it’s a wakeup call to let someone that actually cares about the original Halloween make a new one and someone skilled in making a horror film.

I don’t mind that a film in the franchise wasn’t chiefly about Michael and was a passing of the torch, I don’t mind that it was trying something a little different (after the '78 original they all tried something different save for part IV, even if several of those were still mostly stalk and slash films), but at least make a good film out of it and treat the core franchise character in Michael (the Blumhouse trilogy Michael was not The Shape, it was just another H:20 style superhuman but not supernatural human Michael but a bit more brutal) well.

The continuity issues purely within the trilogy itself (discounting the issues relating to the '78 original), the goofy “are we really supposed to take this seriously?” aspects (in all three Blumhouse films), poor story and character development that borrows heavily from other films, the poor treatment of Michael as a character or even force and how his weakened state makes no sense after Kills, the romance plot that feels rushed and contrived (at least in one of the films End heavily borrows from in Christine- Arnie gains confidence and feels like a new person when he starts to date Leigh, Corey still feels pathetic and you wonder how Allyson fell head over heals for him in a few days), the fact that the bullying Corey gets is from smaller band geeks and not even close to the level of bullying in 80’s movies that it tried to be similar to (Christine, Trick or Treat, The Karate Kid, etc., hell Night of the Demons 2 from the mid-90’s), the abandoning of Corey as the main antagonist and character at the end only for a poor and rushed Michael vs. Laurie ending, the film as an ending of the trilogy, the half-assed passing of the torch (they should have had Michael either meet Corey once near the beginning and pass his evil on to Corey only to never be seen again or seemingly killed or buried like at the end of Halloween IV [another superior film they referenced], or simply revealed to have never me Corey at all and be a figment of his imagination), the dulled color palette films use nowadays to let you know “they are to be taken seriously”, etc., etc. It’s so easy to pick the film apart.

I don’t mind that some people enjoyed it, but I do wonder how they can see this as a legitimate follow up to the '78 original (it’s not even a good follow up to H:40 and Kills logic wise but at least it fits in with them), or just ignore all the flaws and say they liked it “because it was different” while still criticizing say both Rob Zombie movies (especially 2) and part VI for being different (it’s not like Ends was any better written, directed, or acted). I say that as someone that hated Zombie’s Halloween but learned to live with it as it’s an entire alternate timeline instead of a follow up to the '78 original. Hell, RZH2 did the ptsd and impact of the murders on the survivors and town so much better than the entire Blumhouse trilogy (and while I’m at it, H:20 Laurie was done so much better than Blumhouse Laurie and I’m no fan of H:20), and as much as people didn’t like the dream and psychic connection stuff or hobo Myers in RZH2 these things were also present in Ends, but people excuse it while criticizing RZH2 (well the dream aspect didn’t exist, but the psychic aspect and transference of evil thing were both present)! I mean I hate things about V but overall like the movie more than I dislike it for other aspects of it, but I am critical of it and can understand why people dislike it because it’s almost always things I dislike about it (and I’m not thinking people dislike it because it’s different but actual flaws up to the minutiae). I also enjoy the t-cut of 6 but can understand the individual things people dislike about it (the same with Friday the 13th parts V, VIII, and Jason Goes to Hell, especially the latter where most of the criticisms are ones I myself have). Again I get that people have legitimately liked or liked more than they disliked the movie (the ones that aren’t just hype beasts or “bot” accounts), and that’s fine, but at least recognize the flaws or why people think it’s flawed and try to better articulate why you enjoyed it because I have nary read or heard anyone actually detail as to why, it’s always vague generalizations and that doesn’t exactly spark conversation or understanding.

Having the town hate Corey over what was clearly an accident to where even Laurie thinks he may have done it on purpose-this is another really dumb thing, the whole trilogy wants to have this more artsy and serious veneer and tries to be about character development when it instead has this heightened reality ridiculousness and the character development is the most surface level stuff that tries to pretend it isn’t. It’s that pretense that just makes things so much worse to me, it’s not like Resurrection which is not a good Halloween film but at least doesn’t try to pretend that it is (it leans into the camp). I have no idea what went through Girard’s mind when choosing some of the things he did in Halloween V but I’d hope he’d have realized some of what he did was super campy even though a good amount of the film was meant to be taken seriously like the entire last act in the house; the tonal shifts were like Friday the 13th part V’s but flowed so much worse (the clown cops make Ethel and Junior seem believable). The fact that Kills and Ends were supposed to be shot back to back and take place on the same night would make more sense with a lot of aspects of the script with how the townspeople were but the filmmakers surely realized that they never set up the Corey character or anyone else that would have become the character so they needed the time jump and a separate shoot. Even then, my hometown had a famous incident of a child (a young teen, the murders taking place between when he was 13-15) that was a serial killer and killed children and adults (look up Craig Price, he even had the same number of murders as ‘78 Michael in the original Halloween) and my town didn’t lose its’ mind over a child accidentally dying after that. Hell 30 or so years later in the same exact area just a few streets away a 60 or so year old man was murdered in a park and dumped in a garbage can and people weren’t losing their mind over a new “Craig Price” even though it took a few years to find the murderer.

It was just a poorly made film even if you discount the absence of or poor use of Michael, and unlike some other parts of the franchise that use Michael poorly or add in things that really shouldn’t be in a follow up to the '78 original, you can’t really edit around the bad parts of Ends or the entire Blumhouse trilogy. Like you could edit out the reveal that Laurie is Michael’s sister in II; or the Man in Black, tear, clown cop music, restless Michael in the jail cell and background scenes, overly long love scene., etc. from V (can’t edit out manic Loomis or Michael being in the hermit fisherman’s shack for a year though); the jars of genetic fetus experiments and the Thorn constellation talk in VI (luckily the theatrical cut ending negates almost all the other cult and Thorn stuff); heck you could edit H:20 to black out Michael’s eyes (though you can’t edit the hair on the mask to not look like a static electricity nightmare). The odd things are so ingrained in the Blumhouse trilogy as they are integral to the plot, you can’t even headcanon the bs away.

A big problem is that the title is Halloween Ends, if they had named it something else they could have gotten away with having Corey take over from Michael or even Michael not even being in the film at all, they painted themselves into a corner with that title and the sequel bait (not just open ended like the endings of I, IV, and VI) at the end of Kills so they pretty much had to address Michael at some point in Ends (there were ways around it though).

All in all I hope the next movie just goes for an ominous, spooky, creepy tone, doesn’t forget The Shape is a supernatural entity but also presents that in a more believable tone (the original film never killed suspension of disbelief while doing so) and concentrates on atmosphere and feel/tone first. Pretty much everything after IV (aside from Resurrection) were plot first films and the series has been worse off for it. Most of Carpenter’s films were built around a premise and seeing where that premise would take you instead of forcing a plot. I just watched Prince of Darkness again last night (on UHD) and the ominous creepy lingering feel of that film is what I want to feel from a new Halloween film. I don’t need legacy characters to remind me of better days (though the series is seriously missing someone like Dr. Loomis), I don’t need some filmmaker’s special take on the character, just make a film that feels like Halloween; it doesn’t need the same babysitter murders plot or anything (it’s better it doesn’t Hal;loween IV already did that again anyway), just have it feel like a creepy simple film and respect the original film and the intent of the filmmakers behind it (Carpenter has enough quotes out there so there is no ambiguity, not that someone with logical thinking abilities can watch the original and its’ ending and should come out thinking something else, but they do).

[MastaBonaPi]

I’m gonna start this by saying, if you enjoyed the movie, good for you I’m genuinely happy for anyone who had a good experience with this movie.
Cause when I watched this movie I literally have never felt so slapped in the face and genuinely offended, only movie I can think of that I felt was even worse was the Last Jedi, that genuinely ruined Star Wars for me, like I still enjoy star wars but after watching that trilogy my passion for Star Wars has never been close to what it once was but nothing can kill my love for Halloween.

Side note I adore Halloween 3 and a part of me always wished they would of continued anthology movies instead of more Michael but this was NOT the time.

I’ve let the movie stir around in my brain for the last couple weeks and I truly was hoping maybe something would click and I’d find a way to lie to myself and enjoy it and find a deeper meaning and reading all the theories to make it have no sense but no… like I’ve always been able to enjoy every single Halloween film before it in its own way, hell I even enjoy resurrection for the comedy that it is or RZ H2 for the awesome hospital scenes or Halloween kills for it’s over the top kills.
This movie? I can’t find anything, I get what they went for, it’s obvious with the blue font that they wanted this to be like Halloween 3, a new story.
That’s fine and all I’m not mad at trying something new but this is a trilogy and the end of it for that matter and it’s tied to the original movie, Halloween 3 was a completely separate story which is why it worked fine, yeah that movie got hate back then too but I don’t see this movie aging like h3 did personally.
Maybe as some members have said, if they introduced Corey in the first movie or something it would be better but no instead we get a complete thrown together last minute idea script, least that’s how I felt.
This could of been a decent side story but as a trilogy ender? No, I wanted Michael, they should NOT of had Michael become a killing machine in kills (I’ll touch more on how I feel about kills in a minute) just to turn him into a shell of what he was in the next movie.

I get most the people defending this movies biggest and typically only point is that “it’s different” different doesn’t always mean good though unfortunately.
The fact that Allison wanted to dry hump Corey the second they laid eyes on each other was the first giant red flag I had while watching the movie, literally 0 natural chemistry was made and it was like a switch was turned on that turned Halloween into a hallmark movie plus when I saw he was working at a junkyard in coveralls… I prayed they weren’t gonna do it but they did it.

First off Michael is pure evil, no one knows why he just is, it’s his evil, the fact he choked Corey and let him go was a complete joke he has no reasoning of right and wrong, yeah you could argue his niece in H4 but they are blood related so that makes more sense I guess? Either way all this movie did was steal ideas from old 80s horror movies (most not even that good of ideas to begin with).

Personally I hated Halloween kills when it came out, this movie genuinely made me appreciate it which is one positive I can give about ends, it was so bad that it made me enjoy kills lmao.
At least kills had one thing… KILLS, it’s still a fun movie to watch although the dialogue is the worst of any Halloween film, least it does have some redeeming qualities, such as also the flashback scene.

I absolutely loved H18 and had the biggest smile on my face at the theater when I first watched it, it was truly all I wanted in a reboot sequel (except the evil doctor, that was dumb) and when kills came out I was very torn how I felt, then watching ends, it truly has tainted my love for H18.

I really wish now that kills had been more like H18 and had Michael be sneaky again with a smaller body count.
If they would of done that instead of turning him into Jason it would have made way more sense for him to be hiding out during ends and healing.
Because I didn’t mind the whole he needs to kill to regain his power thing, it makes sense to a degree, I wouldn’t of mind seeing Michael sneaking around killing silently till the end of the movie.
But no instead we get a VERY forced love story that had 0 natural chemistry.
But hey least the dialogue was like 30 percent better than kills? Lol

The only thing I feel could of saved this movie was two things
Option 1: make the movie 3 hours long
Option 2: make it two separate parts
They crammed so much BS into this movie that we literally didn’t get any Michael which is what the entire series is about, I wouldn’t of minded Corey as much if the movie was three hours long, Michael getting his strength back for an hour long fight between Michael and the town.
Is that what I was hoping for? No but it would of been better than getting like 12 minutes of Michael on screen.
I didn’t hate seeing what happened to the people of haddonfield and showing them moving on but did we really need 45 minutes of it?

Also what was with the marching band bullying the 24 year old man? That seems real realistic, pulled right out of a B movie.
Maybe I wouldn’t of hated Coreys Character so much if they had it be more of a thriller thing, like we didn’t know if it was Michael or Corey killing then at the end during Halloween day Michael comes out of the shadows to kill Corey and cause havoc on the town before vanishing again like a ghost, basically saying Michael is the spirit of Halloween.
Least it would of kept you guessing and been interesting instead of boring, either way it was always gonna be a copy of Friday the 13th part 5 anyway.

The scene where Corey beats up Michael and takes his mask… Nope.
Sorry I don’t think there’s one person on the forums that can genuinely tell me that was a good scene or idea.
I give them credit for having the balls to actually put Michael in a meat grinder and kill him fully, one of the first times in history I’ve seen them fully kill an iconic slasher but at the same time didn’t Corey just kill like 5 people at the junkyard, where are their bodies during that scene? Lol guess the citizens were so hype to kill Michael they just didn’t care.

Guess I’ll end this by saying, keep your fanfic anthology idea separate from Michael Myers story, if they wanted to make a truly different Halloween movie for the series, they should of done it in one that didn’t have Michael.

I don’t mind that they did something different, I mind they did something different at the end of Michaels trilogy, I mind they did something different and did it incredibly poorly.

[Caleb_Croft]

I’m gonna start this by saying, if you enjoyed the movie, good for you I’m genuinely happy for anyone who had a good experience with this movie.
Cause when I watched this movie I literally have never felt so slapped in the face and genuinely offended, only movie I can think of that I felt was even worse was the Last Jedi, that genuinely ruined Star Wars for me, like I still enjoy star wars but after watching that trilogy my passion for Star Wars has never been close to what it once was but nothing can kill my love for Halloween.

Side note I adore Halloween 3 and a part of me always wished they would of continued anthology movies instead of more Michael but this was NOT the time.

I’ve let the movie stir around in my brain for the last couple weeks and I truly was hoping maybe something would click and I’d find a way to lie to myself and enjoy it and find a deeper meaning and reading all the theories to make it have no sense but no… like I’ve always been able to enjoy every single Halloween film before it in its own way, hell I even enjoy resurrection for the comedy that it is or RZ H2 for the awesome hospital scenes or Halloween kills for it’s over the top kills.
This movie? I can’t find anything, I get what they went for, it’s obvious with the blue font that they wanted this to be like Halloween 3, a new story.
That’s fine and all I’m not mad at trying something new but this is a trilogy and the end of it for that matter and it’s tied to the original movie, Halloween 3 was a completely separate story which is why it worked fine, yeah that movie got hate back then too but I don’t see this movie aging like h3 did personally.
Maybe as some members have said, if they introduced Corey in the first movie or something it would be better but no instead we get a complete thrown together last minute idea script, least that’s how I felt.
This could of been a decent side story but as a trilogy ender? No, I wanted Michael, they should NOT of had Michael become a killing machine in kills (I’ll touch more on how I feel about kills in a minute) just to turn him into a shell of what he was in the next movie.

I get most the people defending this movies biggest and typically only point is that “it’s different” different doesn’t always mean good though unfortunately.
The fact that Allison wanted to dry hump Corey the second they laid eyes on each other was the first giant red flag I had while watching the movie, literally 0 natural chemistry was made and it was like a switch was turned on that turned Halloween into a hallmark movie plus when I saw he was working at a junkyard in coveralls… I prayed they weren’t gonna do it but they did it.

First off Michael is pure evil, no one knows why he just is, it’s his evil, the fact he choked Corey and let him go was a complete joke he has no reasoning of right and wrong, yeah you could argue his niece in H4 but they are blood related so that makes more sense I guess? Either way all this movie did was steal ideas from old 80s horror movies (most not even that good of ideas to begin with).

Personally I hated Halloween kills when it came out, this movie genuinely made me appreciate it which is one positive I can give about ends, it was so bad that it made me enjoy kills lmao.
At least kills had one thing… KILLS, it’s still a fun movie to watch although the dialogue is the worst of any Halloween film, least it does have some redeeming qualities, such as also the flashback scene.

I absolutely loved H18 and had the biggest smile on my face at the theater when I first watched it, it was truly all I wanted in a reboot sequel (except the evil doctor, that was dumb) and when kills came out I was very torn how I felt, then watching ends, it truly has tainted my love for H18.

I really wish now that kills had been more like H18 and had Michael be sneaky again with a smaller body count.
If they would of done that instead of turning him into Jason it would have made way more sense for him to be hiding out during ends and healing.
Because I didn’t mind the whole he needs to kill to regain his power thing, it makes sense to a degree, I wouldn’t of mind seeing Michael sneaking around killing silently till the end of the movie.
But no instead we get a VERY forced love story that had 0 natural chemistry.
But hey least the dialogue was like 30 percent better than kills? Lol

The only thing I feel could of saved this movie was two things
Option 1: make the movie 3 hours long
Option 2: make it two separate parts
They crammed so much BS into this movie that we literally didn’t get any Michael which is what the entire series is about, I wouldn’t of minded Corey as much if the movie was three hours long, Michael getting his strength back for an hour long fight between Michael and the town.
Is that what I was hoping for? No but it would of been better than getting like 12 minutes of Michael on screen.
I didn’t hate seeing what happened to the people of haddonfield and showing them moving on but did we really need 45 minutes of it?

Also what was with the marching band bullying the 24 year old man? That seems real realistic, pulled right out of a B movie.
Maybe I wouldn’t of hated Coreys Character so much if they had it be more of a thriller thing, like we didn’t know if it was Michael or Corey killing then at the end during Halloween day Michael comes out of the shadows to kill Corey and cause havoc on the town before vanishing again like a ghost, basically saying Michael is the spirit of Halloween.
Least it would of kept you guessing and been interesting instead of boring, either way it was always gonna be a copy of Friday the 13th part 5 anyway.

The scene where Corey beats up Michael and takes his mask… Nope.
Sorry I don’t think there’s one person on the forums that can genuinely tell me that was a good scene or idea.
I give them credit for having the balls to actually put Michael in a meat grinder and kill him fully, one of the first times in history I’ve seen them fully kill an iconic slasher but at the same time didn’t Corey just kill like 5 people at the junkyard, where are their bodies during that scene? Lol guess the citizens were so hype to kill Michael they just didn’t care.

Guess I’ll end this by saying, keep your fanfic anthology idea separate from Michael Myers story, if they wanted to make a truly different Halloween movie for the series, they should of done it in one that didn’t have Michael.

I don’t mind that they did something different, I mind they did something different at the end of Michaels trilogy, I mind they did something different and did it incredibly poorly.

This is very well said. This thread has gotten kinda crazy with some good and some really silly thoughts. I’m not seeing near as many people that didn’t like the movie try to sway those that do to change their viewpoints. This stuff is subjective. To each their own

[Caleb_Croft]

I really didn’t like the movie at all, it was so corny. Corn ball material. Go watch lifetime tv for crying out loud. Chick flicks are better than this. I don’t know why anyone would waste time trying to convince people it was good and belittle and patronize them saying “oh it went over ur head” the ego some of these fans give themselves in attempt to feel superior because they are fighting so hard to enjoy this movie is hilarious

This 110%

[Shaq]

I think the outpouring of anger has to do with the fact that the movie was completely misleading in its marketing.

This. Michael vs. Laurie is the only reason anybody went to see this movie. None of the ads I saw had a god damn thing to do with Corey. Misleading marketing + completely abandoning anything that was building up at the end of Kills. My strongest feeling after I finished watching was "I was gypped.

[Caleb_Croft]

“And yes, the Oscars definitely bring about a sense of legitimacy and prestige to films and being nominated is certainly a badge of credibility. But of course, they always miss things and certainly have some politics going on, more than likely. But either way, you don’t get nominated for an Oscar unless you really have something.”

Then we agree, the Oscars are the best rubric we have for analyzing a film objectively, and even then, that rubric takes into consideration the artistic (and subjective) merits of a film. Therefore, the logic of dismissing the artistic (and subjective) merits of a film, as you suggest, is a concept that not even the most objective and analytical organization on the planet would employ.


"Sure. I get they don’t have to agree but when someone disagrees that 2 plus 2 is 4, you simply can’t give them credence. An “opinion” there is irrelevant. "

It is not irrelevant.

2+2=4, but a critic (and the audience) may prefer 3+2=5 or 14/2=7.

That’s what film analysis is, after all; a process of comparing a technical artwork against a backdrop of its predecessors and contemporaries to determine whether the artistic and technical qualities within the film (2+2=4) hold up to the rubric created by those aforementioned films, and then decide if the formula used (2+2=4) was the most appropriate choice given the choices that were available (3+2=5…14/2=7).

At the end of all of that, the subjectivity of the critic has the final say. If subjectivity, and opinions, were truly omitted from the process, as you suggest they should be, why is it that a film can have multiple scores from multiple critics? If we were to follow your logic, every film would have a single score universally accepted by every professional critic in the industry. Every film would be held to an indelible rubric. That’s laughable.

I’m not talking about doing another math problem. I’m talking about people legitimately forming an “opinion” that contradicts facts, saying that 2 plus 2 actually does not equal 4. And unfortunately, it happens all the time and is constantly accepted. And that is one of many reasons we have so much information and so many people unwilling to learn things because their hubris and insecurity is so stuck on having an “opinion” on everything. It’s dangerous.

As far as individual critics go, that’s a deep dive and for another day, lol. But I don’t think many “critics” would say H6 is a better movie, lol.

“I’m not talking about doing another math problem. I’m talking about people legitimately forming an “opinion” that contradicts facts, saying that 2 plus 2 actually does not equal 4.”

In order for your argument to hold any water, we have to accept that your conception of what constitutes a good film is “fact.” I do not. As I’ve pointed out, your criteria of a film’s editing is flawed.

You haven’t provided a concrete rubric for which to judge a film by. Not that I expect you to, that’s ridiculous. Therefore, we are then left to take your word that whatever process you employ to judge a film by is in-line with industry standard and can be accepted as fact. Are you educated in the film industry? Do you hold a degree or certification that helps prove your analysis is worth more than the next average Joe? Do you have real-world experience filming a movie?

I’m not convinced your “logic” is more bulletproof than someone else’s “logic” that says H6 is better than ENDS. Which, by the way, IN MY OPINION, it is not.

All you’ve done is tell people their opinions are worth less than your so-called “facts” without validating a single criterion from which you’ve obtained these “facts.” Dare I say, your “facts” look and sound a lot more like opinions the longer this conversation takes place.

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Joe, the point I’m trying to make here is that there is enough room on the big ole internet for everyone to share their thoughts and feelings without having someone dismantle them in a manner that makes the other person feel stupid or unimportant. That was the intent of my first message, and that is the intent of this last message. Friendly discourse and tact are paramount. Take from that what you will. Again, whether or not this conversation reads a certain way, I value your opinions. You seem passionate about film and our views seem to line up in many regards. That’s cool.


HEDGE

And this…Good job Hedge🍻

[The_Demon_Bishop]

I really didn’t like the movie at all, it was so corny. Corn ball material. Go watch lifetime tv for crying out loud. Chick flicks are better than this. I don’t know why anyone would waste time trying to convince people it was good and belittle and patronize them saying “oh it went over ur head” the ego some of these fans give themselves in attempt to feel superior because they are fighting so hard to enjoy this movie is hilarious

Spot on!

[ILove10aflyViper]

Even though I liked the movie, it is definitely fair to say that just because it’s different doesn’t mean it’s good. If the story or characters don’t land for you, then the originality (or lack thereof, wherever you fall) doesn’t really matter.

[MastaBonaPi]

I’m gonna start this by saying, if you enjoyed the movie, good for you I’m genuinely happy for anyone who had a good experience with this movie.
Cause when I watched this movie I literally have never felt so slapped in the face and genuinely offended, only movie I can think of that I felt was even worse was the Last Jedi, that genuinely ruined Star Wars for me, like I still enjoy star wars but after watching that trilogy my passion for Star Wars has never been close to what it once was but nothing can kill my love for Halloween.

Side note I adore Halloween 3 and a part of me always wished they would of continued anthology movies instead of more Michael but this was NOT the time.

I’ve let the movie stir around in my brain for the last couple weeks and I truly was hoping maybe something would click and I’d find a way to lie to myself and enjoy it and find a deeper meaning and reading all the theories to make it have no sense but no… like I’ve always been able to enjoy every single Halloween film before it in its own way, hell I even enjoy resurrection for the comedy that it is or RZ H2 for the awesome hospital scenes or Halloween kills for it’s over the top kills.
This movie? I can’t find anything, I get what they went for, it’s obvious with the blue font that they wanted this to be like Halloween 3, a new story.
That’s fine and all I’m not mad at trying something new but this is a trilogy and the end of it for that matter and it’s tied to the original movie, Halloween 3 was a completely separate story which is why it worked fine, yeah that movie got hate back then too but I don’t see this movie aging like h3 did personally.
Maybe as some members have said, if they introduced Corey in the first movie or something it would be better but no instead we get a complete thrown together last minute idea script, least that’s how I felt.
This could of been a decent side story but as a trilogy ender? No, I wanted Michael, they should NOT of had Michael become a killing machine in kills (I’ll touch more on how I feel about kills in a minute) just to turn him into a shell of what he was in the next movie.

I get most the people defending this movies biggest and typically only point is that “it’s different” different doesn’t always mean good though unfortunately.
The fact that Allison wanted to dry hump Corey the second they laid eyes on each other was the first giant red flag I had while watching the movie, literally 0 natural chemistry was made and it was like a switch was turned on that turned Halloween into a hallmark movie plus when I saw he was working at a junkyard in coveralls… I prayed they weren’t gonna do it but they did it.

First off Michael is pure evil, no one knows why he just is, it’s his evil, the fact he choked Corey and let him go was a complete joke he has no reasoning of right and wrong, yeah you could argue his niece in H4 but they are blood related so that makes more sense I guess? Either way all this movie did was steal ideas from old 80s horror movies (most not even that good of ideas to begin with).

Personally I hated Halloween kills when it came out, this movie genuinely made me appreciate it which is one positive I can give about ends, it was so bad that it made me enjoy kills lmao.
At least kills had one thing… KILLS, it’s still a fun movie to watch although the dialogue is the worst of any Halloween film, least it does have some redeeming qualities, such as also the flashback scene.

I absolutely loved H18 and had the biggest smile on my face at the theater when I first watched it, it was truly all I wanted in a reboot sequel (except the evil doctor, that was dumb) and when kills came out I was very torn how I felt, then watching ends, it truly has tainted my love for H18.

I really wish now that kills had been more like H18 and had Michael be sneaky again with a smaller body count.
If they would of done that instead of turning him into Jason it would have made way more sense for him to be hiding out during ends and healing.
Because I didn’t mind the whole he needs to kill to regain his power thing, it makes sense to a degree, I wouldn’t of mind seeing Michael sneaking around killing silently till the end of the movie.
But no instead we get a VERY forced love story that had 0 natural chemistry.
But hey least the dialogue was like 30 percent better than kills? Lol

The only thing I feel could of saved this movie was two things
Option 1: make the movie 3 hours long
Option 2: make it two separate parts
They crammed so much BS into this movie that we literally didn’t get any Michael which is what the entire series is about, I wouldn’t of minded Corey as much if the movie was three hours long, Michael getting his strength back for an hour long fight between Michael and the town.
Is that what I was hoping for? No but it would of been better than getting like 12 minutes of Michael on screen.
I didn’t hate seeing what happened to the people of haddonfield and showing them moving on but did we really need 45 minutes of it?

Also what was with the marching band bullying the 24 year old man? That seems real realistic, pulled right out of a B movie.
Maybe I wouldn’t of hated Coreys Character so much if they had it be more of a thriller thing, like we didn’t know if it was Michael or Corey killing then at the end during Halloween day Michael comes out of the shadows to kill Corey and cause havoc on the town before vanishing again like a ghost, basically saying Michael is the spirit of Halloween.
Least it would of kept you guessing and been interesting instead of boring, either way it was always gonna be a copy of Friday the 13th part 5 anyway.

The scene where Corey beats up Michael and takes his mask… Nope.
Sorry I don’t think there’s one person on the forums that can genuinely tell me that was a good scene or idea.
I give them credit for having the balls to actually put Michael in a meat grinder and kill him fully, one of the first times in history I’ve seen them fully kill an iconic slasher but at the same time didn’t Corey just kill like 5 people at the junkyard, where are their bodies during that scene? Lol guess the citizens were so hype to kill Michael they just didn’t care.

Guess I’ll end this by saying, keep your fanfic anthology idea separate from Michael Myers story, if they wanted to make a truly different Halloween movie for the series, they should of done it in one that didn’t have Michael.

I don’t mind that they did something different, I mind they did something different at the end of Michaels trilogy, I mind they did something different and did it incredibly poorly.

This is very well said. This thread has gotten kinda crazy with some good and some really silly thoughts. I’m not seeing near as many people that didn’t like the movie try to sway those that do to change their viewpoints. This stuff is subjective. To each their own

Exactly, to each their own, I’m glad some people managed to get some enjoyment out of the movie.
Kinda makes me sad seeing damn near the entire forum at war with each other but I suppose that’s what DGG wanted after all lol for the fans be divided