Yeah, I agree with everything you stated. It really should just be a new property but it’s crazy that there have been hundreds of imitators since and none have been able to re capture that horrific brilliance of the original. The director of hush said hush was his Halloween. Hush is a great film but it doesn’t come close. I honestly don’t know if we’ll ever see a film to topple it. It’s just filmmaking perfection. Doesn’t happen often.
I agree with everything you said but I do think it’s possible. Not probable but possible. They would have to re invent it. Think The Blob and The Thing. Both took the original formula but changed it up. They would have to make some bold moves… probably changing the mask would be involved. We all love that iconic mask but there’s other possibilities out there. Take something as simple as moving from the Myers mask to just a plain un altered kirk. Still creepy but different. You would have to do more than a subtle change like that though. It’s been done many times over the years successfully and can be done. The question is would the fan base support those changes if the new result was truly terrifying again. I would instantly. You can’t make a new classic without changing some things up. There are those who are fine with a neverending schmorgasboard of entries in the current iteration of the character and that’s fine. Your example of Dracula was spot on Lawson!! But to truly become a modern classic… they’re going to need to change some things and probably give some time between that new idea and previous entries in the current run of the character.
Your right man, it’s definitely possible, and your ideas of what they could potentially do with a new story, pretty much falls into the slot of new fresh stories, with an unknown evil. Known but unknown, perhaps unknown due to the changes they would need to make in Myers himself.
Let’s face it though, that would be a polarizing change to a beloved horror icon, and it’s going to be a hard sell for general audiences. Look what happened with Rob Zombie, especially his H2, that for all intents and purposes changed the Myers character and attempted to make it scary. There are those out there that loved it, but a lot more hated it because it wasn’t the traditional Myers they know, along with the rest of the story that went along with it. The money made on it showed that the general masses had no interest to take a risk and try something different.
So hardcore fans may love it, but $283 million dollars love it? It’s hard to say that would be the case. It could very well be, but the fact remains that this is a business at the end of the day, and what really sells is the icon Michael Myers. It would take lightning striking twice so to speak, and would be a big gamble for the “business” end of filmmaking.
Now that they saw what made them record breaking dollars, it’s even more unlikely they would change the formula. But is it possible? Yes, it’s still possible, but it would take a big gamble to get there. That’s why I say new stories with new unknown horrors have more potential to make that happen, versus toying with a pop culture horror icon.
Don’t get me wrong here, I want them to find that lightning in a bottle again too with my favorite horror film, but what it would take is for all the stars to align in a big way, so I’m not holding my breath. After we get through these next two films, (which I’m actually excited to see what they do) we will see what they come up with. Because even though it’s title is Halloween Ends, we all know it will never truly end…
Yeah, I agree with everything you stated. It really should just be a new property but it’s crazy that there have been hundreds of imitators since and none have been able to re capture that horrific brilliance of the original. The director of hush said hush was his Halloween. Hush is a great film but it doesn’t come close. I honestly don’t know if we’ll ever see a film to topple it. It’s just filmmaking perfection. Doesn’t happen often.
Exactly man, it will live on in it’s many forms of VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, digital, and even gets shown in theaters each year around Halloween. We will always have the original, and I’m ok with that. Especially the newer remastered versions, it looks like a film that could of been shot today with how beautiful those transfers look on Blu-ray and 4K. It will remain timeless, and that’s all we can ask for.
Your right man, it’s definitely possible, and your ideas of what they could potentially do with a new story, pretty much falls into the slot of new fresh stories, with an unknown evil. Known but unknown, perhaps unknown due to the changes they would need to make in Myers himself.
Let’s face it though, that would be a polarizing change to a beloved horror icon, and it’s going to be a hard sell for general audiences. Look what happened with Rob Zombie, especially his H2, that for all intents and purposes changed the Myers character and attempted to make it scary. There are those out there that loved it, but a lot more hated it because it wasn’t the traditional Myers they know, along with the rest of the story that went along with it. The money made on it showed that the general masses had no interest to take a risk and try something different.
So hardcore fans may love it, but $283 million dollars love it? It’s hard to say that would be the case. It could very well be, but the fact remains that this is a business at the end of the day, and what really sells is the icon Michael Myers. It would take lightning striking twice so to speak, and would be a big gamble for the “business” end of filmmaking.
Now that they saw what made them record breaking dollars, it’s even more unlikely they would change the formula. But is it possible? Yes, it’s still possible, but it would take a big gamble to get there. That’s why I say new stories with new unknown horrors have more potential to make that happen, versus toying with a pop culture horror icon.
Don’t get me wrong here, I want them to find that lightning in a bottle again too with my favorite horror film, but what it would take is for all the stars to align in a big way, so I’m not holding my breath. After we get through these next two films, (which I’m actually excited to see what they do) we will see what they come up with. Because even though it’s title is Halloween Ends, we all know it will never truly end…
Yeah, I agree with everything you stated. It really should just be a new property but it’s crazy that there have been hundreds of imitators since and none have been able to re capture that horrific brilliance of the original. The director of hush said hush was his Halloween. Hush is a great film but it doesn’t come close. I honestly don’t know if we’ll ever see a film to topple it. It’s just filmmaking perfection. Doesn’t happen often.
Exactly man, it will live on in it’s many forms of VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, digital, and even gets shown in theaters each year around Halloween. We will always have the original, and I’m ok with that. Especially the newer remastered versions, it looks like a film that could of been shot today with how beautiful those transfers look on Blu-ray and 4K. It will remain timeless, and that’s all we can ask for.
I think it’s just kind of endemic to the type of story John was telling in the original- it just doesn’t leave room for sequels. In a weird way Scream is more of a spiritual successor to the notion that it could be anyone than any of the sequels really. H40 took the best approach in balancing the lore and to set up future installments at the cost of what made the original actually work.
I do think perhaps there’s some opportunity to balance the iconic status of Michael Myers and the mask while preserving some of that “it could happen to anyone” aspect. Maybe they could go meta in embracing the iconic stature- perhaps they could render Haddonfield as a kind of “true crime location” tourist hotspot where “fans” of the murders. As a tourist spot the residents cold reluctantly embrace it- it’s hardly a pleasant reminder, but at the same time it brings in money. With more people essentially garbed in the same outfit, Michael himself could blend more into the surroundings and again… anybody could be under the mask.
Yeah, I agree with everything you stated. It really should just be a new property but it’s crazy that there have been hundreds of imitators since and none have been able to re capture that horrific brilliance of the original. The director of hush said hush was his Halloween. Hush is a great film but it doesn’t come close. I honestly don’t know if we’ll ever see a film to topple it. It’s just filmmaking perfection. Doesn’t happen often.
Exactly man, it will live on in it’s many forms of VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, digital, and even gets shown in theaters each year around Halloween. We will always have the original, and I’m ok with that. Especially the newer remastered versions, it looks like a film that could of been shot today with how beautiful those transfers look on Blu-ray and 4K. It will remain timeless, and that’s all we can ask for.
I think it’s just kind of endemic to the type of story John was telling in the original- it just doesn’t leave room for sequels. In a weird way Scream is more of a spiritual successor to the notion that it could be anyone than any of the sequels really. H40 took the best approach in balancing the lore and to set up future installments at the cost of what made the original actually work.
I do think perhaps there’s some opportunity to balance the iconic status of Michael Myers and the mask while preserving some of that “it could happen to anyone” aspect. Maybe they could go meta in embracing the iconic stature- perhaps they could render Haddonfield as a kind of “true crime location” tourist hotspot where “fans” of the murders. As a tourist spot the residents cold reluctantly embrace it- it’s hardly a pleasant reminder, but at the same time it brings in money. With more people essentially garbed in the same outfit, Michael himself could blend more into the surroundings and again… anybody could be under the mask.
I like that idea of Scream being more of the spiritual successor. Your actually right about that. No, it wasn’t Michael Myers as the killer, but it was young men who no matter what reason they gave, were simply evil at the end of the day. It was always in them long before any “motive or reason”, so it was bound to come out sooner or later. Hell, you even had Halloween playing in the background during the final act, and it fit right in and felt right at home with the context of the movie.
And that brings up another point, I never wanted Scream to have a sequel either. It worked perfectly on its own, and definitively ended. So it has that in common with Halloween as well, they never needed sequels. Sure I enjoy them, but I wouldn’t have been heartbroken without them.
With that said, that would be a great way to bring a fresh take to the world of Haddonfield by having fanatics visit the town, curious of the legend of this mysterious killer who disappeared into the night never to be seen again. Which of course prompts a bunch of loons to roam around in similar masks and costumes, cosplaying if you will, only the problem is that one of them takes the cosplaying to the next level. And maybe we never know who it is. Is it Michael? Is it just a crazed loon reenacting his night of terror? Maybe never answer that to keep the mystery of it alive. It would keep the Shape “the Shape”, without a name, because we are never sure. I like that idea, I can get on board with that. There is definitely potential with that idea.
Agree completely, which is why I feel very strongly that not one sequel has justified its existence. The only premise that might have worked was tweaking Carpenter’s “Someone’s Watching Me,” but he decided against that when agreeing to a sequel he was opposed to making anyway. I’m more than satisfied with Carpenter’s original and its perfect ending: The Shape is gone but not dead and could return, as evil never dies and no one and no place is safe from its ravages.
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This statement is gold, but seriously though it’s 2019 and creativity is basically gone and we just watch halloween for the sole purpose of michael myers ain’t it?
Agree completely, which is why I feel very strongly that not one sequel has justified its existence. The only premise that might have worked was tweaking Carpenter’s “Someone’s Watching Me,” but he decided against that when agreeing to a sequel he was opposed to making anyway. I’m more than satisfied with Carpenter’s original and its perfect ending: The Shape is gone but not dead and could return, as evil never dies and no one and no place is safe from its ravages.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThis statement is gold, but seriously though it’s 2019 and creativity is basically gone and we just watch halloween for the sole purpose of michael myers ain’t it?
I watch horror to root for the villain killing everyone, isn’t that the point of it? having people survive is boring lately
Agree completely, which is why I feel very strongly that not one sequel has justified its existence. The only premise that might have worked was tweaking Carpenter’s “Someone’s Watching Me,” but he decided against that when agreeing to a sequel he was opposed to making anyway. I’m more than satisfied with Carpenter’s original and its perfect ending: The Shape is gone but not dead and could return, as evil never dies and no one and no place is safe from its ravages.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThis statement is gold, but seriously though it’s 2019 and creativity is basically gone and we just watch halloween for the sole purpose of michael myers ain’t it?
I watch horror to root for the villain killing everyone, isn’t that the point of it? having people survive is boring lately
That’s why I watch Friday the 13th… bc the characters are all disposable. That’s not the case with Halloween which is another reason it stands apart from the rest
This statement is gold, but seriously though it’s 2019 and creativity is basically gone and we just watch halloween for the sole purpose of michael myers ain’t it?
I watch horror to root for the villain killing everyone, isn’t that the point of it? having people survive is boring lately
That’s why I watch Friday the 13th… bc the characters are all disposable. That’s not the case with Halloween which is another reason it stands apart from the rest
with H1, 2 and 4, yes, but after that, and RZ’s as we as 2018, everyone is disposable for me
I watch horror to root for the villain killing everyone, isn’t that the point of it? having people survive is boring lately
That’s why I watch Friday the 13th… bc the characters are all disposable. That’s not the case with Halloween which is another reason it stands apart from the rest
with H1, 2 and 4, yes, but after that, and RZ’s as we as 2018, everyone is disposable for me
Yep, agreed. I think the rz trailer family is pretty likable though huh? Lol
Agree completely, which is why I feel very strongly that not one sequel has justified its existence. The only premise that might have worked was tweaking Carpenter’s “Someone’s Watching Me,” but he decided against that when agreeing to a sequel he was opposed to making anyway. I’m more than satisfied with Carpenter’s original and its perfect ending: The Shape is gone but not dead and could return, as evil never dies and no one and no place is safe from its ravages.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThis statement is gold, but seriously though it’s 2019 and creativity is basically gone and we just watch halloween for the sole purpose of michael myers ain’t it?
I watch horror to root for the villain killing everyone, isn’t that the point of it? having people survive is boring lately
You said it best brutha!
This statement is gold, but seriously though it’s 2019 and creativity is basically gone and we just watch halloween for the sole purpose of michael myers ain’t it?
I watch horror to root for the villain killing everyone, isn’t that the point of it? having people survive is boring lately
You said it best brutha!
thanks, I felt that way about infinity war as well, I was shocked to see a villain finally win a fight
I watch horror to root for the villain killing everyone, isn’t that the point of it? having people survive is boring lately
You said it best brutha!
thanks, I felt that way about infinity war as well, I was shocked to see a villain finally win a fight
Anytime!
I would rather take it as a standalone movie. The only real sequel to the original is Halloween II (1981), IMHO.
Honestly I really don’t see why everyone has so many issues with H40, nobody talked about this series for years before this film came out and now we are going to get 2 more sequels that look to be very promising. I love doing H40 Michael and battle damaged Michael for my looks now, and I have to say recreating the Officer Francis Head was one of the funnest projects I’ve ever done.
Also none of y’all can tell me with a straight face that you didn’t enjoy when Allyson finds Oscar impaled and Michael steps out and John Carpenter’s amazing soundtrack kicks in or the scene when he first puts on the mask after the bathroom massacre.
For those complaining about “missed opportunities”, most of that has already been addressed and you’ll probably see it in Halloween Kills and Ends. They had a lot of ideas that they saved for sequels as they wanted to see how the film did before they put all of their ideas out there.
Now the remake Blumhouse just did of Black Christmas… That was garbage… Absolute garbage, and that’s what H40 could have turned into so there’s a lot of reasons to be happy we got what we got considering how PC culture is seeping its way into horror movies now. I thought because of how H40 turned out that Black Christmas might be the same, boy was I wrong on that one.
Anyway getting off topic, been a long day at work. Long story short, I love how H40 brought some life back into this franchise and I can’t wait to see what they do in the sequels, plus I still have all the old Halloween movies to enjoy and cosplay too! As long as Carpenter keeps doing the score, James keeps being Michael Myers and they keep the plot entertaining I’m pretty much alright with whatever they chose to do with the material.
Honestly I really don’t see why everyone has so many issues with H40, nobody talked about this series for years before this film came out and now we are going to get 2 more sequels that look to be very promising. I love doing H40 Michael and battle damaged Michael for my looks now, and I have to say recreating the Officer Francis Head was one of the funnest projects I’ve ever done.
Also none of y’all can tell me with a straight face that you didn’t enjoy when Allyson finds Oscar impaled and Michael steps out and John Carpenter’s amazing soundtrack kicks in or the scene when he first puts on the mask after the bathroom massacre.
For those complaining about “missed opportunities”, most of that has already been addressed and you’ll probably see it in Halloween Kills and Ends. They had a lot of ideas that they saved for sequels as they wanted to see how the film did before they put all of their ideas out there.
Now the remake Blumhouse just did of Black Christmas… That was garbage… Absolute garbage, and that’s what H40 could have turned into so there’s a lot of reasons to be happy we got what we got considering how PC culture is seeping its way into horror movies now. I thought because of how H40 turned out that Black Christmas might be the same, boy was I wrong on that one.
Anyway getting off topic, been a long day at work. Long story short, I love how H40 brought some life back into this franchise and I can’t wait to see what they do in the sequels, plus I still have all the old Halloween movies to enjoy and cosplay too! As long as Carpenter keeps doing the score, James keeps being Michael Myers and they keep the plot entertaining I’m pretty much alright with whatever they chose to do with the material.
I didn’t care for Oscar, so his death was actually great, wish Cameron had gotten injured by Myers too, seeing michael pull on the mask was shown in the trailers which ruined it, it works the first time, I really liked most of the score in this film
Honestly I really don’t see why everyone has so many issues with H40, nobody talked about this series for years before this film came out and now we are going to get 2 more sequels that look to be very promising. I love doing H40 Michael and battle damaged Michael for my looks now, and I have to say recreating the Officer Francis Head was one of the funnest projects I’ve ever done.
Also none of y’all can tell me with a straight face that you didn’t enjoy when Allyson finds Oscar impaled and Michael steps out and John Carpenter’s amazing soundtrack kicks in or the scene when he first puts on the mask after the bathroom massacre.
For those complaining about “missed opportunities”, most of that has already been addressed and you’ll probably see it in Halloween Kills and Ends. They had a lot of ideas that they saved for sequels as they wanted to see how the film did before they put all of their ideas out there.
Now the remake Blumhouse just did of Black Christmas… That was garbage… Absolute garbage, and that’s what H40 could have turned into so there’s a lot of reasons to be happy we got what we got considering how PC culture is seeping its way into horror movies now. I thought because of how H40 turned out that Black Christmas might be the same, boy was I wrong on that one.
Anyway getting off topic, been a long day at work. Long story short, I love how H40 brought some life back into this franchise and I can’t wait to see what they do in the sequels, plus I still have all the old Halloween movies to enjoy and cosplay too! As long as Carpenter keeps doing the score, James keeps being Michael Myers and they keep the plot entertaining I’m pretty much alright with whatever they chose to do with the material.
I didn’t care for Oscar, so his death was actually great, wish Cameron had gotten injured by Myers too, seeing michael pull on the mask was shown in the trailers which ruined it, it works the first time, I really liked most of the score in this film
I thought that whole scene leading up to it with the motion sensor lights was brilliant, I tried it for myself this year and didn’t realize how sensitive those lights actually are which brought a whole new level of yeah this is the same Myers from H1 aspect into the movie for me. Cameron is coming back in some capacity in Kills. The trailer is a something that bothers me about almost every movie that comes out now a days, they basically wrecked every intense scene with the trailer. I liked the score a lot too, I actually still listen to some of it daily, which is really odd because I don’t usually listen to soundtracks .
Honestly I really don’t see why everyone has so many issues with H40, nobody talked about this series for years before this film came out and now we are going to get 2 more sequels that look to be very promising. I love doing H40 Michael and battle damaged Michael for my looks now, and I have to say recreating the Officer Francis Head was one of the funnest projects I’ve ever done.
Also none of y’all can tell me with a straight face that you didn’t enjoy when Allyson finds Oscar impaled and Michael steps out and John Carpenter’s amazing soundtrack kicks in or the scene when he first puts on the mask after the bathroom massacre.
For those complaining about “missed opportunities”, most of that has already been addressed and you’ll probably see it in Halloween Kills and Ends. They had a lot of ideas that they saved for sequels as they wanted to see how the film did before they put all of their ideas out there.
Now the remake Blumhouse just did of Black Christmas… That was garbage… Absolute garbage, and that’s what H40 could have turned into so there’s a lot of reasons to be happy we got what we got considering how PC culture is seeping its way into horror movies now. I thought because of how H40 turned out that Black Christmas might be the same, boy was I wrong on that one.
Anyway getting off topic, been a long day at work. Long story short, I love how H40 brought some life back into this franchise and I can’t wait to see what they do in the sequels, plus I still have all the old Halloween movies to enjoy and cosplay too! As long as Carpenter keeps doing the score, James keeps being Michael Myers and they keep the plot entertaining I’m pretty much alright with whatever they chose to do with the material.
I didn’t care for Oscar, so his death was actually great, wish Cameron had gotten injured by Myers too, seeing michael pull on the mask was shown in the trailers which ruined it, it works the first time, I really liked most of the score in this film
I thought that whole scene leading up to it with the motion sensor lights was brilliant, I tried it for myself this year and didn’t realize how sensitive those lights actually are which brought a whole new level of yeah this is the same Myers from H1 aspect into the movie for me. Cameron is coming back in some capacity in Kills. The trailer is a something that bothers me about almost every movie that comes out now a days, they basically wrecked every intense scene with the trailer. I liked the score a lot too, I actually still listen to some of it daily, which is really odd because I don’t usually listen to soundtracks
.
The Shape hunts Allyson is what should be the stalking theme for Kills, not for Allyson, but even when you see Myers stalking people, it’s honestly a change I’d like to see, or they blend that style of bass, into the actual theme, it’d be much more terrifying
“Is Halloween (2018) really a sequel to the original?”
Not to me. Halloween II (1981) was.
I didn’t care for Oscar, so his death was actually great, wish Cameron had gotten injured by Myers too, seeing michael pull on the mask was shown in the trailers which ruined it, it works the first time, I really liked most of the score in this film
I thought that whole scene leading up to it with the motion sensor lights was brilliant, I tried it for myself this year and didn’t realize how sensitive those lights actually are which brought a whole new level of yeah this is the same Myers from H1 aspect into the movie for me. Cameron is coming back in some capacity in Kills. The trailer is a something that bothers me about almost every movie that comes out now a days, they basically wrecked every intense scene with the trailer. I liked the score a lot too, I actually still listen to some of it daily, which is really odd because I don’t usually listen to soundtracks
.
The Shape hunts Allyson is what should be the stalking theme for Kills, not for Allyson, but even when you see Myers stalking people, it’s honestly a change I’d like to see, or they blend that style of bass, into the actual theme, it’d be much more terrifying
I con cure with that one, I like the Shape Stalks a lot, but jesus how many remixes can they make of it . I thought Michael Kills Again would be perfect for his new stalking/killing kind of theme.
I can’t wait to hear what Carpenter comes up with for Kills though, honestly the music has always been my favorite part of the series.
I thought that whole scene leading up to it with the motion sensor lights was brilliant, I tried it for myself this year and didn’t realize how sensitive those lights actually are which brought a whole new level of yeah this is the same Myers from H1 aspect into the movie for me. Cameron is coming back in some capacity in Kills. The trailer is a something that bothers me about almost every movie that comes out now a days, they basically wrecked every intense scene with the trailer. I liked the score a lot too, I actually still listen to some of it daily, which is really odd because I don’t usually listen to soundtracks
.
The Shape hunts Allyson is what should be the stalking theme for Kills, not for Allyson, but even when you see Myers stalking people, it’s honestly a change I’d like to see, or they blend that style of bass, into the actual theme, it’d be much more terrifying
I con cure with that one, I like the Shape Stalks a lot, but jesus how many remixes can they make of it
. I thought Michael Kills Again would be perfect for his new stalking/killing kind of theme.
I can’t wait to hear what Carpenter comes up with for Kills though, honestly the music has always been my favorite part of the series.
Exactly, I can’t wait for when the score get out