James Jude Courtney is pretty overrated as Michael.

Shape57 · October 29, 2021, 2:17pm

I think that’s more to do with the writing than anything else. I think JJC is a good Myers! I think he really nails it and I can actually believe he’s the same Myers from 78 (if you look past the height difference).

The writing in Halloween 2018 and Kills are terrible in terms of Halloween 1978. They stated they were ‘going back to the roots of the first film’ when Halloween 2018 was announced. I’m not sure what they meant by that, but I was sure thinking we was going to get the 78 shape who stalks and plays hide and seek type of games with the victims which drag out until he gets them closer and closer and then pounces. We didn’t get that. In fact, I’m not sure what we got at all that ‘went back to the roots’ a part from bringing back legacy characters. It was only until Kills that they even brought back the blue lighting.

IMO, they made a big mistake getting David Gordon Green and Danny Mcbride to write and direct the films. They’re good films in terms of a comparison against (5,6,H20 & Resurrection). But honestly DGG and DM seem more like casual Halloween fans. I think if it was someone that really knew what made Halloween 1978 the greatest of all time, we would have gotten everything the fans have been craving since that first film. Actually, I think Halloween 2 1981 is the best sequel ever. It’s a very slow and boring movie admittedly, but honestly if you never told me it wasn’t John Carpenter directing, I would have sworn it was. I honestly can’t tell the two films apart. Hats off to Rick Rosenthal for making Halloween 2 a really believable film that it literally was straight after the first. I would suggest Rick Rosenthal would have been a good choice, but after Halloween Resurrection, I would say he’s lost his touch with that…

Perhaps we should just be grateful for Halloween 1978 and 1981 and stop hoping to get better than that. This was our last chance to do anything, all the legacy characters are too old including Michael and I think 2018 and Kills really missed the last opportunity to really do it right again.

John Carpenter actually did some uncredited directing on Halloween II. I agree that both Halloween and Halloween II look and feel like the same movie.

In fact, the more I think about Halloween II, the more I realise how great of a sequel it was. It was only 3 years apart so nothing had changed all that much. It was filmed in the same location. Used the same cameras. Had the same actors that all looked the same age from the first film, including a very much real and alive Donal Pleasance. We had the actual hero mask from the first film. Just on all those merits alone that’s enough for us fanboys and gals to wet the bed. On top of that, we had the great direction from Rick Rosenthal that captured the atmosphere from the first film perfectly and makes it incredibly hard to tell the difference between the first and second film. They genuinely feel like the same exact movie. It was written by the man himself who created the whole thing, Mr John Carpenter. Halloween II has many great iconic moments like Myers lifting the nurse up by the scalpel stabbed in her back and the blood tears scene. How can you get any better then that? Although the film really dragged out and honestly can get a little boring, I feel like all the above merits completely outweigh those negatives and make it very easy to look past.

Halloween 2018 was promised to be ‘the true sequel’ to Halloween 1978. Considering the fact it’s 40 years later, we no longer have Donald Pleasance or the original mask, we no longer are shooting in the same location, cameras have advanced so nothing about the film will look authentic to the first, legacy characters are all old now, you would think they would have needed to get everything they could have gotten right spot on in order to even attempt it being a ‘true sequel’. The fact that the atmosphere was non existent, there was hardly any suspense and any suspense that was there was killed with comedy, the overload of comedy itself is a bummer. There are really no iconic moments in 2018 either. All those ‘special moments’ are just replicating what the first film did as fan service. Just a tip of the hat. That’s pretty much what these films are. They’re fan service films. I don’t know how they could possibly say it’s the ‘true sequel’ when they’re competing with something as successful as Halloween II 1981.

I agree. The only thing these new films have done is put Halloween II on a taller pedestal. If Carpenter got involved because he thought these movies would eradicate Halloween II from the fans consciousness, I think it backfired… badly.

ColdBlooded_Killer · October 29, 2021, 3:01pm

John Carpenter actually did some uncredited directing on Halloween II. I agree that both Halloween and Halloween II look and feel like the same movie.

In fact, the more I think about Halloween II, the more I realise how great of a sequel it was. It was only 3 years apart so nothing had changed all that much. It was filmed in the same location. Used the same cameras. Had the same actors that all looked the same age from the first film, including a very much real and alive Donal Pleasance. We had the actual hero mask from the first film. Just on all those merits alone that’s enough for us fanboys and gals to wet the bed. On top of that, we had the great direction from Rick Rosenthal that captured the atmosphere from the first film perfectly and makes it incredibly hard to tell the difference between the first and second film. They genuinely feel like the same exact movie. It was written by the man himself who created the whole thing, Mr John Carpenter. Halloween II has many great iconic moments like Myers lifting the nurse up by the scalpel stabbed in her back and the blood tears scene. How can you get any better then that? Although the film really dragged out and honestly can get a little boring, I feel like all the above merits completely outweigh those negatives and make it very easy to look past.

Halloween 2018 was promised to be ‘the true sequel’ to Halloween 1978. Considering the fact it’s 40 years later, we no longer have Donald Pleasance or the original mask, we no longer are shooting in the same location, cameras have advanced so nothing about the film will look authentic to the first, legacy characters are all old now, you would think they would have needed to get everything they could have gotten right spot on in order to even attempt it being a ‘true sequel’. The fact that the atmosphere was non existent, there was hardly any suspense and any suspense that was there was killed with comedy, the overload of comedy itself is a bummer. There are really no iconic moments in 2018 either. All those ‘special moments’ are just replicating what the first film did as fan service. Just a tip of the hat. That’s pretty much what these films are. They’re fan service films. I don’t know how they could possibly say it’s the ‘true sequel’ when they’re competing with something as successful as Halloween II 1981.

I agree. The only thing these new films have done is put Halloween II on a taller pedestal. If Carpenter got involved because he thought these movies would eradicate Halloween II from the fans consciousness, I think it backfired… badly.

He got involved because ez paycheck lol

Slazbob · October 29, 2021, 6:10pm

It’s a little thing, but it makes Myers (castle) and the direction, that made Michael ‘78 different than any other: every time you hurt him he would fall and recover or play dead. He did it after being shot in part 2 but didn’t do it when getting shot in both eyes! Now a days he simply ignores such a thing. Maybe being a small area of shooting the film in a house, they thought it was necessary to give Laurie a chance to move about.

I like JJC better than all the others except Castle.
But they just don’t have the right stuff when making these sequels the things that draw us to the film from so long ago…yeah, we like watching the other films…maybe to just remind ourselves of the original.

Starkiller1011 · October 29, 2021, 10:30pm

HKills Michael was definitely a tank which I understand not liking. I myself don’t like it when Michael is just a Jason clone, but speaking to JJC movements and gestures, he is outstanding. Sorta a mix between Nick and Dick. I think he’s pretty perfect, it’s just the kills being way too brutish and lacking and sense of creepiness or boogeyman mystique.

MATBAN96 · December 12, 2021, 5:47pm

What do you think of Airon Armstrong who played Michael in the flashbacks. He kinda reminded me a bit of Dick Warlock.

Dandy_Chiggins · December 12, 2021, 8:03pm

Personally I really liked Airon in the flashbacks. I thought he did a good job capturing that same feel as H1. However the one thing people point out is when he’s walking down the stairs towards the end he doesn’t do it like Nick Castle, he kind of slowly walks down. I don’t see this as a problem though. In H1 the reason the Shape is walking so fast is because he’s going for Laurie. In the flashback he’s just walking down the stairs to leave the house, he’s in no hurry, so I don’t think it’s out of character.

Speedkills · December 12, 2021, 8:25pm

Exactly. He’s not pursuing anyone. He already messed with Laurie, Michael is just wandering in the flashbacks at the point after Loomis shot him. Airon did a good Nick, he didn’t sway his hands and kept them to his side.

whitestalker78 · December 13, 2021, 4:46pm

Not at all a fan of how Michael was portrayed in kills, but I can’t complain about JJC’s performance. He brought a lot of presence to the role but as an actor and stuntman he can really only do what the script and direction asks of him.

Flashback_Mask · December 13, 2021, 9:53pm

I like JJC very much but overrated yessss I agree!!

Nightstalker · December 14, 2021, 4:39am

Good luck sharing that opinion with this crowd. Pretty much everyone here now are zombies for the Blumoween garbage and will not tolerate that someone doesn’t love it or even like it.

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Dandy_Chiggins · December 14, 2021, 4:02pm

No need to comment this. If some people like it that’s perfectly fine, that’s their opinion. If you don’t like it that’s also fine. No need for this.

MATBAN96 · December 16, 2021, 9:30pm

Personally I wouldn’t mind if Armstrong comes back for future movies.

jkcsm101 · December 17, 2021, 6:29pm

MATBAN96 · December 17, 2021, 7:32pm

We’re not always gonna share the same opinion, but let’s respect each others opinions, ok. Besides at the end of the day, we’re still fans of the same franchise.

rodysti · December 17, 2021, 9:05pm

100% agreed, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Let’s not turn this hobby into a more toxic environment

MATBAN96 · December 17, 2021, 9:19pm

Exactly. Thank you, we all love Michael Myers, and the Halloween series. By what’s your favorite soundtrack? Mine is Halloween II’s soundtrack, it’s so atmospheric, and gothic.

Shapeless86 · December 17, 2021, 9:44pm

RE: The title of this thread.

I saw a pretty funny online comment a few years back which has stuck with me and I believe this is one of those times where using it is absolutely warranted.

“I respect your opinion, but you are stupid and I hate you.”

MATBAN96 · December 17, 2021, 9:49pm

Um dude, if you call me stupid, that’s not showing me respect then. Name calling is pretty unnecessary.

Shapeless86 · December 17, 2021, 9:58pm

Dude, it was clearly meant for laughs, chill out.

MATBAN96 · December 17, 2021, 10:01pm

I’ve been torn apart by a lot of Halloween fans on Facebook, so I wasn’t sure if you were joking or not.