Normally I don’t respond to these kind of threads, but in this case I’ll give my opinion on this.
I think JC is really over acting here. Calling RZ a piece of shit goes way to far in my opinion.
If you watch the “Behind the scenes” stuff from RZ’s Halloween, you can see him talking about how he called JC and how JC told him to do his own thing.
Never heard of that interview with RZ before, but even if he said JC was cold to him, there’s no need to be that harsh.
The reason MM was so scary in the original is because we knew nothing about him, no reason why he did what he did. Once you try to explain why, then you lose the mystery of “Why did this young kid do this”
There was just no reason for RZ do give us a whole back story on why young MM turned out the way he did. Keep it a secret, it’s far more scary to leave to our own imaginations.
Exactly! I couldn’t agree more.
Carpenter made the better film…by a long shot. No one can argue with that. RZ’s version didn’t improve on it in any way, as no other Halloween film could. RZ did some cool stuff that makes things good in its own way, but start comparing it to the original and it’s like comparing a great white shark to a Mako shark or something. It’s obvious which one would win. But that being said, Carpenter could’ve gone a bit easier on Zombie because he’s the bigger shark…instead of tearing him to shreds. 
I do wonder where that interview went where RZ calls him cold…
commentator says he got a chilly reaction RZ follows up with the rest
at 1:26:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGd8kYC66Uc
Okay, so there you have it. Doesn’t sound like RZ was lying about Carpenter. It was at least a misunderstanding…and also quite likely, Zombie is simply telling the truth, since that’s how Carpenter is (“whatever, do what you want with it, it’s all you man”) instead of (“oh, great, that sounds amazing! what are you thinking you want to do with it??”). No surprise he wasn’t jumping for joy or enthusiasm, as he’s made clear over the years what his stance is on sequels and such…flattering maybe, but not something Carpenter really wants to do. I’m wondering if maybe Carpenter wishes some of his other films had reached that level of fame and gotten more attention, instead of just being known for Halloween. It was one of his first films and his undisputed peak…from there he was only able to go downhill (relatively speaking). It’d be nice if he could make another classic movie to please fans and himself.
Yeah, I can’t wait to see what Carpenter can do with the new Halloween film coming out next year.
This is where its a myth saying you don’t explain evil, I can read an entire similarion on the lord of the rings, and the lord of the rings himself Sauron, its vast with so much history and backstory with Sauron who is what I call far more evil than Michael Myers ever was, Michael unfortunately proved to be another franchise serial killer, no different to what RZ done. Sauron I would call him almost pure evil, but he was also corrupted, so I think with vast history evil can be explained like the lord of the rings himself. Lets look at the devil himself, he was explained why he challenged god so the 2 most famous evil’s in literature history Sauron and the devil himself have been explained. Hell plenty of serial killers have been explained, the iceman if we talking about huge brutes he was 6 ft 5, so I can buy Michael at 6 ft 8, same has I can buy Michael at 5 ft 10 he’s a character that has so many faces, and versatility it does not matter, Michael is Michael he works in so many ways.
Carpenter also says RZ took away the mystery, hmmmm? he’s right oh yes, but? Rob was not the first. Here is where Carpenter has a bit of memory loss by throwing Rob under the bus trying to forget his own mistakes, by trying to make rob the devil incarnated. Did John forget he pioneered the first downfalls of the Michael Myers character, how he decided to throw his own masterpiece under the bus in a way, by help producing Halloween 2 just to make a quick buck, they gave us the Laurie Michael brother and sister twist totally destroying what made that original Myers character so creepy, yes some say yeah it makes sense why he came back, but? was it needed? John admitted the heart was not in it. So PPL should not totally rip Rob apart by saying he was the only guy to take away the mystery, Halloween 2 5 and 6 totally destroyed the original Myers character in terms of that total entity of pure evil, now?? if Halloween was treated like black Christmas and we had one and only Halloween movie, John would be totally right to rip apart what he done explaining Myers, he’s half right. but this was done before 3 times in the original series, its like PPL are shocked when they forget about Halloween 2.
Halloween series is more like, do you like the many faces of Myers? or? you rather it was treated like black Christmas and we had just the one movie, its a price some would rather was not paid, others yes. I always felt the ending of Halloween 78 is spoilt by sequel after sequel, if we had just the one Halloween movie that ending would have been so powerful, much like how powerful the ending of black Christmas is, the fact we never saw the serial killer is the definitive horror slasher movie that not even Halloween 78 can touch.
The difference being Sauron’s given explanation is well thought out and well executed, without cliché or poor taste. The white trash angle, for example. Zombie inserted the same kind of characters into his Halloween remake that he has in all of his movies. Deliverance esque, garbage. Sauron is also a different kind of villain than Michael Myers. Saurons is closer to Anakin Skywalker or even to the story of the fall of Lucifer than he is to Michael Myers. Myers is, and I can’t believe I’m referencing Halloween Resurrection here, more like the shark from Jaws, which Carpenter has even said himself. He’s just an inexplicable force of natural evil. Every attempt to explain him has thus far been met with displeasure, including H5 and H6. Carpenter himself was displeased with the little exposition in H2 that we received. Does it work? Yes. Is it well executed? Also yes, but some could argue that Halloween 2’s addition of the sister angle went against Carpenters vision of an escaped mental patient butchering baby sitters on Halloween night.
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Anakin is also falls in the Michael Myers category where it ends up poorly executed, vader does not even come close to how vast and brilliantly written Sauron is, Anakin is also another cliche villain, Sauron total opposite on what we learnt from Anakin, Sauron never became evil through love, but closer to Gollum where he was obsessed, but Sauron did it for selfish reasons where he saw the bigger picture to rule with a clear conscience which makes Sauron scarier, Vader did it for love which destroyed the character, like what we saw with Myers in Halloween 2, its standard evil but nothing more same has RZ’s Myers. Jaws, Jon doe, black Christmas, ledgers joker, these are the villains and killing machines given no explanation, the force of nature died in Halloween 2 and I think Halloween 2 just did not work, yes its a good movie to a point, but it was the death nail in the Michael Myers coffin. Like I have said, Michael should have been given the black Christmas treatment, one stand alone film and that was it, franchising Halloween came at a cost of the Michael Myers character. Like I say John cannot totally bash Rob when he was part of something similar, yes he did not agree to it, but John should have fought harder to protect his masterpiece, which is why I don’t totally take his view on Rob that serious when this was done before. I would have totally been on board with what John said about the Myers mystery, if we got one and only Halloween movie
I’ve been thinking about the topic because it’s all over the internet.
Eh. I like the film for some of the shots and visual style. The masks in the prison hospital room for example. Some of the night shots and overall look. I think there is a decent movie in there somewhere but it needs a lot of editing and reworking to be worth a damn. I mentioned on /r/horror that I’d love to see a de-whitetrashing of the film where they take out the stripping, and most of the family interaction, and then work with some of the cut scenes to make a good movie. That long scene that was cut where little Mike stalks the bullies and beats them in the forest. That’s a keeper, just take the bullying out before it and show him as a psychotic. Then keep the killing night and the hospital stuff and jump to the present day.
I enjoy watching it as a kind of alternative take on the story, but it’s fundamentally flawed on a lot of levels.
Imagine making a Friday the 13th film and re-imagining Jason as a scrawny chump who you have no sympathy for as a person - maybe he tortured the counselors and deserved to be drowned. Is it somewhat intriguing? Sure. Is it the same character or fundamentally flawed to fans? Yes. It ceases to be Friday the 13th even if you put a hockey mask on it.
Jason is essentially a punisher, that you feel some level of pain for because he was neglected and drowned, even though he becomes a zombie tank later on… but whatever.
That’s essentially what Zombie did. He made Michael exceptional by being so gigantic. You can’t be a ghostly “shape” if you’re a giant warrior barbarian who is instantly recognizable to everybody. In the first two Halloween films Myers could have been any trick or treater out on the street, and in part 2 he actually was. They kill the wrong guy think it’s him and it’s just a kid in a mask. He needs to be somewhat average and nondescript physically to be the boogieman.
Dracula isn’t a fat guy. The Wolfman isn’t bald. ect.
Secondly, he took all power and purpose from Myers by giving him a reason to be bad. He had a coddling stripper mother, an abusive scumbag step father, a slutty foul mouthed sister, and was bullied because he was trash. Myers is clearly … pure psychotic evil, so why give him an excuse. I mean that’s the whole chilling point of that first scene in the first film. We have no clue why an angelic little boy kills his sister. No idea. And that’s scary.
It’s like zombie didn’t even watch Halloween or understand Michael on any level, and at that point… why make a Halloween film? Why not make your own film and do something new. I’m not saying he had to carbon copy the original and bring his own spin, but he spun the wrong shit.
The Thing is based off a short story, not really a movie, and JC took the central idea of that story and made his own. I think if you want to do a reboot you would do that. But I guess zombie’s voice just isn’t strong enough to spin an idea without mutilating it.
But Hey, Zombie was offered a huge property with name recognition and a chance to play with other peoples money I guess. And he took it. The family that owns Myers doesn’t give a fuck about quality control. That much is apparent. Akhad whatever.
At the end of the day it got people back into the franchise, and was better than 4- whatever, but it’s still pretty lame and indulgent for the wrong reasons.
What myers mask did they use in the inside story documentry??
It was a NAG H78.