Kris and Chris (lol) exactly! Thats what I am saying. This place has become too fucked up for anyone to voice these things. Fucking destroyed this hobby because there is too much politics. And now nobody knows who the hell owns these things because people are too afraid to speak up. Well fuck them Kris tell it like it is. If everyone else is gonna act like arrogant ass holes so am I from now. 
Guys, there are Ken’s SLEs, and there are Andrew’s SLEs. Andrew’s aren’t recasts, and they aren’t “forgeries.”
Perhaps we go back to the original point of numbering the SLEs.
Just instead of Ken’s originals and “others” we have Ken’s and Andrew’s.
I don’t personally believe that Andrew’s SLEs will affect the price of Ken’s. Andrew’s are washed out, and the paint jobs are crap.
To start, here is the “Ken” list from AllOriginalDragon
- Jon/Scott (Ghost)
- Donnie/Me
- Zephro/ Dren
- Mayhem/Me
- AHG/Me
- Benny/Me
- Jeremy/Benny
- Darren
9/10. Ken/Colby
Now we make an “Andrew” list.
So we know of one specific name currently, correct?
1.MJ_23
2.
3.
4.
Ect.
Paul(Crofader) said that the copy that Matt(MJ_23) owns is actually in fact a blank from Ken but was finished by Colin and Andrew.That’s what I was told when I purchased it originally and it seems that Paul was clued in to the fact that it was actually the case with that copy.
I’m not sure if you understand what we meant when we mention forged copies. When Colin sold Adam (mrmorningside) a KH SLE copy that he claimed was KH’s personal copy, that’s an example of a forged copy as it was forged to be KH’s personal copy when it really wasn’t. I sent KH a pic of that copy and he didn’t confirm that it was his personal copy. There have also been forged prototypes sold in the past from what I heard.
Who’s work was it on that SLE Adam bought off Col, Colin showed me many shots of that mask and it looked like Hertleins work to me.
Mtlongy, that was a pretty bold statement to make. With all due respect, I am not even sure why some people are even in this thread. The Myers hobby has some type of controversy with just about every mask. There is a level of responsibility to yourself to do some research. This is universal with everything; tvs, cars, collectibles, etc. so why should this be any different? People will try to make a buck anywhere they can. Yes, we can help police ourselves but if you are buying something, there should be some self responsibility. I knew nothing of the Myers scene when I joined. I knew nothing of KHs or SLEs. I made it a point to find out things or ask people that could potentially help. I have no problem helping people but I do not live on this site or take it upon myself to ensure someone purchases the correct SLE mask.
Yes, Randy’s and Crofader’s were the extra blanks that surfaced after the run. From what I have been told, it was a thank you and they were pulled by Ken. Anything after that is either a recast or new pull. The KH/AS masks are different. The features are off a bit and not proportional. The forehead narrows a bit much for me. I own 2 but and they are easy to see they are not actual old run SLEs. I forgot to add that a member, Scotty, was an original SLE owner and I think that may be the copy Benny now owns. I am not entirely sure.
Bottom line for me. I have legit copies. I also have a recast, unknown to me at the time. If I ever needed to part with any, I can guarantee you full history and legitamacy. If that doesn’t cut it, then move on…it doesn’t make a difference to me.
I listed the legit ones and where they are, including the 2 blanks. You can assume otherwise for any others that surface. Why I needed to actually write that is beyond me?
To say the knowledge I have gained by hard work and sleuthing is as bad as a crooked deed and I am to blame too…well…is downright ridiculous. If that that is the comfort food you seek, then dig in!
No hard feelings but you don’t know me or anything about me 
This is the one i mentioned the fella on nightowl owns. He got it from adam.
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Exactly, i have done my own research for the most part when looking to purchase a mask, no one comes into the hobby a know it all and you do have to use your own initiative, that was basically what i was saying before but got it spat back in my face by the man who thinks he knows it all but in actual fact doesn’t know his arse from his elbow.
Yes they are forged copies. People bought these masks thinking it was a small run. And now more are being made. Perhaps forged is the wrong word but its totaly wrong.
All original dragaon and Anthony ok guys I will nip over to the KH SLE encyclopaedia now and do some research. 
Ok I am done with this thread. Its completely useless lol… People start by saying there are recasts and suddenly people are saying there are no recasts and all these copies Andrew has been making are acceptable. So confusing…
Seeing that all this is fine with everyone Chris Zephro you might as well recast the KH/DW and mass produced them. After all you own the H2 license lol 
You need to chill Marcus, you call out everyone that knew about this, then jump on their side. You’ve been in the hobby for five minutes, tell everyone they are a bunch of a holes and are arrogant… Very rich coming from you and you don’t know these people or their situation.
Some people are afraid to speak out for various reasons, one example would be, they don’t like confrontations and making a bad blood with anyone, some just want to enjoy the hobby.
Who can blame them for that ?, not me.
Is this the same copy Colin showed you?
Pic courtesy of Adam
This copy looks different than the others to me, the SLE details are not as definitive as mine. It looks more like KH/DW than the others to me. While it’s most likely a non-legitimate copy (recast or not), I would have to admit that it’s quite a nice copy. Colin must have actually worked his ass off on this copy if KH didn’t work on it, I have seen a mask that he actually worked his ass off on (2K Kirk made to replicate Guy Thorpe’s old '75 Kirk copy) and it looks very decent.
To everyone, some people will want to find the truth but some will believe what they want to believe (this is in general not directed to anyone specifically). I know some blanks were said to be from Ken, I’m not saying that they are not as it may be true but you have to ask says who? We all know now that AS and Colin will just flat out lie to you when they want to. This probably will be my last comment in this thread as I don’t care what people believe, who am I to try to change anyone’s belief? I respect everyone’s beliefs. I did my part in exposing the non-legitimate copies out there to make people aware of them and now all of this is out in the open, I’m glad that it’s over with as everyone in this hobby deserves to know how shady AS and Colin are, KH is aware of this now. Yes, I know, KH is responsible too as he sold the mold to DW which he should have destroyed in the first place. PM me if you want to discuss further with me, I will be happy to do that but I’m done with this thread. All the best everyone. 
This is some great info fellas. Being relatively new at the hobby I’m glad this is all coming out. So from what I understand, Ken sold the SLE mold to AS. Then AS retooled it and sold it as the Image, but while doing that he sold extra copies of the SLE right? So did Ken sell the mold with the idea that AS was gonna retoole it as the image?
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I believe that was the copy yes, although Colin’s pic’s of it made it look a million bucks, i went back through the history books and traced Colin’s old posts of it here where he had it along side the AHG/KH #15 and he has cropped off the SLE from the pic’s, nice moves.
Some people tend to forget that fact and should be a little less arrogant and blatant about their violation of our license. We tolerate it because we started here, but our patience with some of the Artist is starting to get a little thin.
As far as recasting someone else’s work, we don’t need to do that, our Art Director is best Monster Maker in the business and does the best Halloween Masks ever made, I’m talking about Justin Mabry!
Boy, this just gets better and better.
So once again, the small tribe has gotten together and come up with a whole NEW slew of sh#t to throw out there, and of course, a lot of you guys (who don’t know me from a hole in the ground, and whom I don’t know), are unfortunately only too eager to eat it up as truth.
Kris, you can honestly let the whole ‘Andrew is the “gatekeeper” for Ken’ thing go man. This is just beyond hilarious. This is my new tag-line here I guess, because, once again, for all you newbies out there, Ken asked me to NEVER give out his info to ANYONE, as at the time just before he came to me to ask my help in setting up a deal where he would produce a small Limited amount of masks, he was ‘off the grid’ so to speak. Just before this, he was also done with the Myers scene. Whenever we talked, and I would tell him that there were some guys that wanted to get him to do a new Myers mask, he wasn’t interested at all. Kris was no exception. Kris pm’ed me, regarding getting Ken’s info, and, respecting Ken’s wishes, I told him what I’d said to a few other people, that Ken didn’t want his personal info out there, and he wasn’t interested in getting back into the Myers game at that point. Well, that left a bad taste in Kris’ mouth, and that was it. Respecting my buddy Ken’s wishes apparently made me an arrogant POS. Wow. Then of course, the outright BS started regarding shady deals, recasting etc. That was the point where I left. Just beyond immature and pathetic. The only reason I finally jumped on here was the fact that I received a few phone calls and texts yesterday from a bunch of people that told me that Kris was once again, slinging sh#t.
Can ANYONE here show ANY DEFINITIVE PROOF that NOW I’m apparently recasting SLE’s? ANY PROOF?? I would LOVE to see it. Christ, I’ve been out of the Myers thing myself since I finished my mask run with Dick, back in 2011. I’ve moved on to other things, because frankly, the over-saturation of Myers masks here has just been a turn-off. And the arguing and in-fighting over who has the best version of the H1, H2 etc., is quite frankly, sad. Case in point: now we’re going on about the KH SLE’s and HOW MANY ARE THERE?? Life’s too short man.
Here’s what I know. You can take it with a grain of salt, I could care less.
Ken made 6 masks for the people that paid for them.
I was given a mask as payment for handling the deal, which I eventually sold to Darren.
Ken said that he made 2 blanks for himself. I can only assume that these are the ones that were purchased by Colbster and haired by JC, but I don’t know.
Dick Warlock received a copy.
THAT’S A GRAND TOTAL OF 10 COPIES.
If there are more than 10 out there, talk to Ken. That’s all I can say.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that there were more than 2 blanks poured up, as I know that Colin got one. But again, I don’t know. You would have to get it right from Ken himself.
No need to address me with the responses, cause I’m outta here. Just jumped back on to clear up, once again, the bullsh#t that flows like water on this site. As a very well known member here has said on quite a few occasions: When it comes to the soap opera drama on mm.net, you’re GUILTY until proven INNOCENT. No fu#king kidding.
For my buddies, thanks for being mature and ‘grown up’ enough to not just believe whatever’s written about someone, without getting the OTHER side of the story. It’s amazing that in all the years that I’ve been in the game, I’ve NEVER ripped anyone off, or had a bad experience with any transactions with any of my customers. Yet it doesn’t really make a difference. No matter what you do or don’t do, there’s always gonna be a few a##holes out there that just have it in for you, no matter what. And they’ll create outright bulls#it about you, because it makes them feel better. The sadder thing is, there’s a pile of people out there that just eat it up, and take it as gospel. Very, very sad.
Well, continue with the BIG SLE debate. I have better things to do.
-A
Andrew,
To protect the innocent I will not name the individuals, but I can name six members here that were offered SLE blanks from Colin, if the mold or tooling isn’t in Ken’s possession anymore, than where the hell was Colin getting them from?
Chris
Is it possible Colin recasted it himself?
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With limited quantities, these type things are always going to happen. It’s kind of a big market for collectors of these Myers masks. Look at this site. In reality, this is a mask site. So, the real problem here is when these Myers masks become limited, and many take a backseat on being able to purchase them, tension among many will simply run high. You seen it with this mask being talked about in this thread. How many are there? Really. People are dropping 2K+ on these due to thinking there’s only a certain number available. Yet, there’s so much drama behind the scenes. It’s a money driven hobby. Which has brought out the worst in too many people, and that’s why more and more of these masks keep on popping up. There’s reasons why this hobby is like this. These Myers masks prices are insane. Which means drama and more drama. That is why this hobby can be corrupt as the USA Government is… 
The problem is simple to resolve, when an artist declares to limit a run of masks he should therefore destroy the mold upon completion of the final pull, that’s it in a nutshell.