I for one appreciate your 2 cents worth, and no one worthy of respect should be attacking you. You have just validated everything I know and believe about the original mask(s) From what I was told, the “stunt’” mask had alot more flesh tones on the neck then the other masks. Hence the schoolyard scene (was the stunt mask) Seems silly to me as there was no stunt involved in that scene but if it is what it is…then so be it. If a blue hue showed up in Dick’s mask 30 years later it was probably a chemical deteriation taking place. The only blue in the movie was the lighting. I believe that the mask was stark white with underpainted flesh tones bleeding thru and the weathering came about as time went on from handling and storage of the mask. I beleive my new 75K supreme, converted by Chris Morgan is an exact replica of the mask in the film when production first started.
Right I hope this isn’t seen as uncovering a dead thread as its only a couple of months old and this is the first time I have seen it and just wanted to add my 2 cents regarding the weathering on the mask.
When production started the mask was purely white , face , neck everything which can be seen where Castle is holding the mask while cross eyed . During filming the mask would not have exactly been well looked after , stuffed in pockets carrier bags etc. as well as being pulled on and off multiple times by everyone who tried it on or played Michael in the movie. Everyone when pulling a mask on does it via the neck hence the deterioration of the paint on the neck leaving a lot of flesh on show , the same goes for the chin and nose which castle would have handled alot trying to make it actually fit his chin and nose ( let’s remember this was a child’s mask and very small and Castle had a very long face )
Was the mask touched up after H2 ? YES after the blood tears scene as I believe that was the hero used for that scene . I don’t think the full mask was repainted just over the cheeks and neck where the blood would have run and in doing so covering up the flesh tones also which are seen MANY times through H2.
You are wrong dude. I am Matt Garrett/mtgarrett, the original owner of “Matt’s Kirk” or whatever it’s being referred to. I have ZERO reason to lie about how I got that mask. As Colbster pointed out, when I was 15 (in 1986 though, NOT 1981) I was watching Halloween 2 and saw “Masks by Don Post” in the end credits. I was familiar with the company name Don Post, because I had a Yoda mask that was stamped Don Post on the back of the neck. So, on a complete shot in the dark, I asked my mom if she’d be willing to get their info and call them up to see about getting a mask. I don’t know how she found their phone number (probably called 411 LOL), but she did find it and called them up. If memory serves, they were located in Hollywood, but I don’t remember. I am 99% sure they were here in LA someplace though. When she called, she spoke with “Don Post” directly - now, was that DP junior or DP senior? I have no clue, she only told me Don Post. She said he was very nice, and told her his son had one, etc. He told her there were a couple laying around, and we could have one for $20…
We were never told that it was a Kirk, or “The Mask” or from a Kirk mold, leftover movie stunt mask, etc, etc, etc, or any details like that. Hell, I didn’t even know the mask in Halloween WAS a Kirk until the early 90s so I wouldn’t have known the difference. So, that is the God’s honest truth of how I got that mask. I wish I had more details for you guys but I don’t. The stars lined up, and I (with the help of my cool mom!) scored a mask directly FROM Don Post studios. Don’t know what else to say, I would never lie about anything like this, I simply have no reason to.
Garrett, I spoke at length with Don about these specific masks. These masks were not made, produced or painted at DPS and Don had nothing to do with them. Don Post Studios never sent out a mask looking like that. Any type of Kirk mold was gone by 1986…they were stolen. Don also said he received letters about the Kirk masks and the same thing would also be stated; they couldn’t produce them, they could have been sued if they did.
Don did some research about what exactly happened to the molds and really honed it down a couple of people; they were the ones producing the masks while they were working for DPS and would also take orders for them while working at DPS.
I don’t want to derail your thread here. And, since I don’t own the mask anymore it doesn’t really matter that much. BUT, what does make me a little uneasy is having my character/word questioned. I’m one of the most honest people I know, probably to a fault at times…maybe I’ll be rewarded for it someday.
So, as I see it, we have a few scenarios…
I’m completely lying, and have been lying since I was 15 (26 yrs!) as to how I got the mask.
My Mom lied to me about calling Don Post, found a “Black Market” one and had the perp ship it to the house.
My Mom DID called Don Post, but got a hold of someone pretending to be Don Post, and sold her an unauthorized mask – for the amazing profit of 20 bucks.
Everything about my story is 100% true, and Don Post either doesn’t remember it (most likely case), or is denying it.
Ok, logically which one makes the most sense? I’m curious…
easy,it’s all about value,if you paint something like that you lose some value so,if he have been sold as never repainted,do you think he will start to tell otherwise?
Matt seems to be very adamant about what happened and what he received and I have to say I do believe him ! Although Im finding it hard to believe it was Don on the phone and why did he only want $20 ? If this was one of DP’s rogue employees posing as Don then It would have made sense for him to have asked for a considerable amount of money for a mask.
I’m not calling anyone a liar at all don’t get me wrong I’m simply just analysing the evidence given . Would be really cool if we could get to the bottom of this .
You’re hardly going to loose value on a prop like that just by slapping some touch up paint here N there,it’s the main screen used mask from Halloween 1 & 2 it is that association that deems it’s potential value.
Most things are not too complicated but over time & rumors & add-on’s from other people, things become so muddled it takes on a life of it’s own. So because, Matt is adamant he’s telling the truth but it’s hard to hard to believe some of the things. Keep in mind the Kirk mask on the stores (on shelf) ran for about 3.00 in some places & that’s fact. 3 bucks.
The mask back then wasn’t the mighty grail people see today, it was just a kids mask that kinda looked creepy, yet a bit like Capt Kirk. So, him selling it for 20.00 is not out of the question at all & it wasn’t known as any kind of collectible back then so 20.00 bucks in 1980 sounds completely reasonable.
Why is it hard to believe it was Don on the phone? In 2012, Don Post is a bigger or more known name than it was in 1979-1980 & don’t take it the wrong way but it’s not like anybody is going to faint because there talking to Don Post. I don’t understand why it would be so impossible to talk with Don back then?
If it was somebody else posing as Don, it’s fair to say they were a little shady & shady people that pretend to be somebody else might have asked for 40.00, or 50.00, 60.00 If it’s someone posing. (which makes no logical sense at all) Why would they take the risk & only ask for 20.00 & then still send them the mask lol? I don’t think Matt got any pm’s asking him OMG, “did you really get to talk with thee Don Post”???
Maybe Don wasn’t swamped with interview request, Maybe there was no line that ran 10 blocks deep from people demanding yoda masks holding pitch forks, Maybe Don happened to be at the shop at the time flipping threw some papers or walking threw the shop on a Tuesday night while drinking a Tabb as he ate a chicken salad sandwich. He found time to send Mr. Medley his mask (if memory serves me correct) & maybe, just maybe he was able to do the same for Matt/his mom…
Either way, for something like that to somehow be out of the question or impossible is pretty silly if thinking logically & then to expect DP to actually re-call the event years & years later isn’t too reasonable. I would probably bet he’s taken pictures with people & doesn’t remember (even after showing the pic to him) I’m sure he’s done many talks & many pics with people & to expect him to remember each time isn’t going to happen.
As stated I am just simply analysing evidence given from both parties and not claiming any event to be impossible I just stated it was unlikely. That being said though I DO find it hard to believe Don would let a mask go looking how it did no matter how big or small you say DP was at that current time.
This pic and a few others from behind the scenes of h1 proves that the mask was painted white before it was haired up. If it were painted after it was haired, the paint would have covered over the sideburn glue markings.
Interesting theory but not necessarily the case,depends on how thick the application of the paint was,if it was applied sparingly and just flashed over in places “Glue Line areas” then they would still show like they do,and i have yanked sideburns off a haired Kirk and painted it white and the gluelines were still showing and actually were rather apparent and more than i wanted them to show so took a bit of time removing the glue so it looked more subtle,and keep in mind Don Post used a glue type that turned dark brownish so all this would contribute.
Just like the Kirk flesh wore through the sprayed on white in places, from being handled as often as it was on a set, the dark glue would not only wear through the white, but being sticky, pick up all manner of dirt and oil from handling.
I just don’t think that is the case. It’s clear to me that is the actual glue itself. You can see the same thing around the eyebrows as well. Billy posted a pic a while back of a mask that don post produced for the movie. It was not the hero, but it was painted white, with the sideburns, and eyebrows intact. The hair was sprayed darker and the eyes were cut out larger. I think a mask like that was what was actually converted. Meaning they ripped off the sideburns and eyebrows. If anyone wants to try it out, go and buy shoemakers glue. It’s what don post used back then. Make a kirk, then rip off the sideburns and paint over the glue markings. I can guarantee you that the paint will cover the glue markings.
Yeah i mean anything is possible and i think you mean the Bill Malone mask
I personally believe they simply got a 75 Kirk yanked off the sideburns and eyebrows opened up the eyesockets and painted it fishbelly white and just sprayed the hair dark just like TLW and Debra describe they did in “Inside Story”
Yes that is the mask I was talking about. You are painting and hairing up masks yourself now. Do you put the sideburn marks on before or after the mask is painted?
I always paint over the ripped off glue lines… it’s the only way that makes sense to me. In the old days I would take requests for this, but now it’s a standard of mine. When I see hairy glue lines added after the white goes on, it makes my skin crawl. lol! Now, grime and filth can accumulate on top of the glue lines after the white is painted due to the texture of the messy lines… this darkens the area… but still the lines are covered by white initially. But to each his own, that’s what makes this hobby so interesting!
I actually add them once i’ve painted the mask but the glue i use dries hard and dry so it isnt sticky or anything like that to attract dust and dirt and i use a sealer anyway and i actually weather the glue lines aswell for added effect but this is obviously just on blanks’ actual Haired Kirks is another story entirely lol,sometimes i don’t use glue and just use a little instrument for scraping on gluelines with my artist charcoal,i guess it is a bit like an artist who scrapes in details on his painting on the canvass
I’m simply just analysing the evidence given . Would be really cool if we could get to the bottom of this .
