the thing is…Myers IS human…
and to think that Myers is a victim is bull even in the real world.
why?..because everyone still has a choice…Myers, well…he obviously
chose to kill…so Rob Zombie trying to make people “feel” for Myers?..
i think that people are taking it the wrong way…Zombie did want to humanize
Myers because like the most of us feel that they were getting way off track with
him being in a cult and soon would be a moster/zombie like Jason Vorhees.
but, i don’t think that RZ wanted everyone to feel for Myers and agree with his actions…
and not scary or terrifing…well, either were any of the movies before RZ
versions…even when Carpenter was 1st putting out his original people thought
it was dull…that was until he added Music to it…even when i was young the original
was “Never” scary or terrifiying…
i don’t think that Zombeis versions were home runs either…i really didn’t care for
RZ’s H1…it has grown on me but, RZ’s H2 is a much more real version of Myers IMO…
the movie is still not the greatest movie ever but, it definatley beats the majority
of the Halloweens.
Myers has the choice to kill, but he’s very much a victim in his younger years. All that abuse gave him a motive to kill and vent out his rage. Not that his actions were right, but they weren’t surprising given his history. Zombie clearly wanted the audience to “feel” for Myers, as was his intention of portraying him as a tragic, self-destructive monster like Frankenstein. In Zombie’s mind, that might be scary, but it wasn’t the right fit for Myers. Rob is all about going for the realness and grittiness, yet at the same time his characters are over-the-top and ubelievable. It’s all about the in-your-face MTV approach to horror. He’s compelled to answer every question and dispel any sense of mystery or the unknown. As a result, you have a movie with no suspense or creepiness.
And Myers was not human in the original. Zombie made it a point to make his version of Myers mortal. (Even though he should have keeled over once Laurie jammed the knife in his neck! He still withstood way more abuse than a true mortal could have.)
I think that may be why you are more receptive to Rob’s versions. (Being that the original didn’t really have much of an impact on you.)
Myers was not Human in the Original?..
now just because Loomis said that he was pure evil
doesn’t make Myers a supernatural being…it was to
describe Myers thought patterns…
yes he was a victim of vilolent language…but, that is where it stops for the viewer…
because if you start feeling sorry for myers and give him the excuse of “thats his reasons for doing so”
then, you as a person have some problems because you make reasons to hurt other people (not you fang…just saying)
RZ showed the creation of by the way of letting us into Myers’ mind…
and after awhile the “unknown” act in movies gets boring…they do it over and over
so, they don’t have to put any detail into movies nowadays just more gore or lame “jump” scenes.
and i believe it was the fans that wanted some things answered aswell…
to see more of Myers and how he really came to be…
and RZ incorporrated those answers into his version with a nice balance.
so, unless you are doing a “smart killer” movie and making Myers like a Hannibal.
or have M. Night Shaymalon direct it then, you won’t get your leave it to the
imagination movie with your surprise ending…and i don’t see that happening
with the Halloween Franchise…
and NOBODY thought the movie was scary when they 1st revealed the movie…not just me…
and the Original had a HUGE impact on me and is my favorite movie of all time…so, trust me
the movie has had enough impact on me to spend thousands of dollars just to find the right version
of a Myers mask…or that even to the fact that i joined a “myers forum”…
you cant compare every Halloween to the original otherwise you will be disappointed every time.
even if Carpenter made a new Halloween it wouldn’t be as good…now don’t get me wrong here…
the RZ versions are not my favorites by any means (h1,h2,h20,h2remake,h4,h5,h6,h9,h8)
but, i think RZ deserves recognition on his H2 version…
now the closet thing that i have seen that could match the Original Halloween is “the strangers”
what would you think if the strangers killer was Myers instead of the those 3 masked killers?..
do you think you could accept that as a Halloween movie?..i do
That was the big reveal at the end…Michael was something more than human, or inhuman. Had he been human, Loomis would have put him down for good in the Doyle house. But he gets shot at several times point-blank and plummets off a balcony, only to get back up and walk off into the night. The ending shots that suggested Michael was everywhere made the viewer realize that he was truly The Boogeyman.
And I agree that a “Strangers” approach to Halloween would work and still be quite effective.
i see how you can think that because it does make sence but, to me
what made the movie is the fact that Myers was a normal guy gone mad…
and alot better story line than a monster of sorts stalking babysitters.
for the big reveal…it was the unmasking of myers to show that he was just a human and not a monster…
and the ending shots was more of saying “where is he” to make the viewer more aware
of someone stalking you can be anywhere…
as for getting shot that many times and surviving…there are people everyday getting shot
and living to tell the story…(rapper 50 cents)…and those cop shows, show people getting tazered
by 3 different guns at the same time while getting shot and they still come towards the cops…
but, i don’t consider them supernatural or the boogeyman…
to me its almost “if there is a will, there is a way” type of thing…and with myers there was a definate will
that was driven by killing…he sat in the sanitarium for 15 years planning and wasn’t going to stop
until he had finished.
at least we can both agree about a “strangers” take 
That’s cool how people can have different interpretations of the same film. I respect your ideas, I do. 
With Carpenter and Hill, they specifically explored the theme that evil never dies. Myers may have started out human, but something else was fueling him and giving him that unstoppable drive to kill. And once H2 came out, it was clear that he was not merely a crazy guy with incredible luck. You couldn’t kill the bastard!
I don’t know about 50 Cent and people on COPS, but for some guy to immediately get up and walk away like nothing after being shot six times and falling off a balcony? LOL seems pretty supernatural to me. (“I shot him six times…I shot him in the heart…”)
I loved the opening 20 mins of H2 and all the following kills, but everytime i saw the horse and momy myers it was like a giant kick in the nuts and just pulled me out of the movie…
well, 50 cent was shot 9 times…(not a fan…just saying)
and the guy with 3 tazers zapping him at once and getting shot a couple of times and still
coming at you 
that just shows you that a human can endure these things if his mind
is set on something really really really really badly and that they can do it without being
a supernatural monster. 
and Carpenters H2 really had nothing to do with the original Halloween…it does but, it doesn’t.
H1 was just what it was and H2 was something they had to pull out of their butts because there was
no intention to follow through until the MONEY started coming in…thats when they started to make
Myers a Larger than life character (but, still human )
The ending of the original H1 was to leave it open as “where did he go?” and thats what generates all the questions
and made that movie special…he got away…is he going to come back?..how did he survive?..
is he a monster…how long does he have to live (because i always pictured myers at the end of H1 escaping but, slowly dying)…and Carpenters vision was a simple one…a man who stalks babysitters…
But, yes Fangface it is funny how we love the same thing but, have totally different views LOL
and this has definately been a good debate…especially without anyone being rude (imagine that)
to be fair we didnt see him get up… he could have crawled out of view or stumbled off with some difficulty… though the second film shows him walking without issue so …yeah
At least it was better than most if not all of the Friday the 13ths IMO. That remake was one of the worst stand alone movies I’ve seen. I think Hatchet was better than the remake. 
does that apply to Al Pacino, Joe Pesci, Harvey Keitel, Bobby D, and just about everyone in a Scorsese gangster film?
H2 imo was a brutal and dark horror film with some amazing cinematography and some good performances namely Brad Dourif, Danielle Harris and Tyler Mane who is the best Myers since Warlock.
Its flawed, but for a mainstream horror release it delivered the goods and as a sequel to Rob’s vision in H1 it was very believable.
I wasn’t bothered by the exposure of Michael in H2, overall I give it a 6.5/10
I will agree with that second statement that those actors named did do great performances (namely Brad) but what I’m more so referring to with overusing the word fuck and any other swear word is that it was said in an noneffective manner. The guy is the van saying it 20-30 times in a row was pointless (and just because he’s been in an accident doesn’t back that up).
Rob has made Halloween about Michael Myers and his life, not about Halloween, which is what it should be about. If the movie is called Halloween, I think the focus of the story should be around the holiday.
I believe that according to the police report, he was actually shot 3 times. And he was laid out in the hospital for something like 13 days. He didn’t get up and run around town after that.
My point is, no human is likely to bounce right back up immediately after being shot 6 times, let alone in the heart (according to Loomis, but I’ll believe the guy!). And falling off a balcony no less. Even if he slowly got up and limped away, I still wouldn’t believe that he kept ticking without some type of “intervention.”
This would make a good poll LOL.
yep, just saw that 50 lied about getting shot 9 times and was only 3
but, that still does not disprove the fact (caught on tape) of the guy getting tazered
by 3 seperate guns and being shot a couple of times but, still having the drive
to keep coming towards the cops…that is proof that a mear human can endure…
and once again there is no proof that myers got up and ran around after that…
just sticking to the H1 movie not moving on to the sequel…
because all they did was just look down and didn’t go anywhere to search for him and the movie ended…
he could have just crawled under the balcony for all we know and died (what a lame ending hahaha)
it was left open for interpitaion…
or even if you want to throw this in there the “thorn cult” came by and grabbed him
Rob has made Halloween about Michael Myers and his life, not about Halloween, which is what it should be about. If the movie is called Halloween, I think the focus of the story should be around the holiday.[/quote][/color]
the movie wasn’t suppost to be about Halloween?
they ended up just placing it on that day for at the last second
to commercialize it…
the movie was about Myers stalking babysitters.
Kirk Magnum posted this quote from John Carpenter in this thread:
http://michael-myers.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=69664&start=0
“It was all to make a new legend. There’s something really creepy about the fact that evil never dies. It can’t be killed. If as in the movie he really is just a force of evil, he’s like nature. Well, in the end, he’s back up again. He just refuses to die.”
So it’s pretty clear that Myers was more than just a guy with an insatiable drive to kill.
It’s a fairly well known fact that Carpenters vision of Michael Myers was someone who’s being driven by some kind of unknown supernatural force with a motivation to commit acts of evil.
Where-as Zombie wanted his vision of Myers to be more reality based. A Man gone totally insane who is driven by the voices in his head (his mother) to commit acts of evil.
Two very different visions of the same character which deserve equal amounts of respect, in my opinion.
Which pretty much trashes the Halloween title…
i was talking about the Original Carpenter Halloween 
“It was all to make a new legend. There’s something really creepy about the fact that evil never dies. It can’t be killed. If as in the movie he really is just a force of evil, he’s like nature. Well, in the end, he’s back up again. He just refuses to die.”
So it’s pretty clear that Myers was more than just a guy with an insatiable drive to kill.[/quote]
i still disagree
and with your point of Myers being like nature only means that he is “natural” not supernatural…
and that he “refuses to die” not can’t die…makes that clear at least to me…
you can be Evil without being supernatural (hitler) and by it never dieing is more to the point that
theor stories are passes down…hence “evil never dies”
Once again, with my point about the guy being tazered by 3 different tazers at once and being shot but, still
having the drive to take the cops out…that is pure proof that you do not have to be supernatural.
it is like the old sayig “if there is a will there is a way”…and most of the statements of myers being evil
only came from Loomis…nobody else…and everyone considers Loomis a Kook anyways