it was the finished price cause I also enquired about the 98 Proto and also told me 450 first, but that was during the september/october auction so the information he was giving was very confusing, 450 seems to be what he asks for it anyway.
@Acorad yes you can look him up by searching Nagmasks on FB
Sorry, gonna callout bull$hit when I see it. Nothing you can do to stop it. Just because you may not like the reasons that high end masks sell for what they do, doesnāt mean the person selling it is scamming anyone. If someone pays it and they recieve what they paid for, thatās called a BUSINESS TRANSACTION. You calling that a scam is offensive as hell. Sounds like youāre in the wrong hobby. Maybe try something a little less capitalistic and find something more communist or socialist to your liking. Also, John Cena sucks.
and I say sorry but you donāt know the half of it, you donāt know what I was referring to because we never talk and you really shouldnāt butt in a conversation you donāt belong to, especially with that attitude, I didnāt call āyouā scam, my analysys is based on many Ebay ads that were clearly bogus, advertising badly rehauled TOTS masks for rarities and sold for thousands, or Nags that werenāt nags, or JC painting that werenāt JCs, personally Iād stay out of this shit and rather have an artist make a mask from scratch so that Iām sure what Iām spending my money on, even a thousand, but for something I know itās authentic, but if you like this kind of business, just go ahead, itās your money, not mine, a scammer is a scammer, and itās not offensive if you call people what they are, lying about what youāre selling is the real offensive thing here, but people are free to do what they want (even gettin screwed over). I really donāt own you any further explanation , and whether Iām in the right hobby or not is not something that you really should care.
This board is so full of negativity, sheesh. Feels like Iām in the YouTube comments section.
I just love my Myers masks with pickles! Anyone else? Lol Just a little humor to break that stuff up lol
At least youāre painting in specifics now instead of huge broad strokes, which is what you maybe should have thought to do from the get-go
He got done with the pull of my nightmare and will be painting it soon
wasnt this thread about the 98 price?? looool
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In a matter of factā¦ It is 101% more!
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Agreed. Its a bit ridiculousā¦
Just like the dude selling a JC 2018 on ebay for over $2,000 but keeps lowering the price on the classifieds here. Gimme a break, supply and demand? More like GREEDY.
Pretty common thing, I feel. Most will post it lower here to give members a chance to own it before a perfect stranger. Itās like if you had a $50 gift card to sell, youād probably sell it to a family member for less before youād do the same for a stranger. Just my take
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I get it. But my point was that heās selling a $60 mask above even $1000 is ridiculous. I was generous enough to offer $600 but what heās asking is highway robbery. Probably why no one has bought it. I get supply and demand, which is why Nag Castle and 75Kās go for $1300+ in a bid war on ebay- but those masks are top notch qualityā¦ this hobby has its greedy people iāll tell yaā¦
I agree with Luthor, people can sell something as high of a price they want, someone will probably pay it too. Thereās a JC 2018 mask on eBay right now for 2k. Itās material worth is only $60 but the demand for it is so high people will pay 10x the cost. Greedy yes, but not a scam if the buyer knows what theyāre paying for.
Also keeping in mind that Jamesā wait time is nearing almost 5 years at this point and the convenience of having one of his finished masks now always ups the price at least $100 or $200.
If people are willing to pay it, itās not a scam. If you werenāt sent the product you paid for then you can call it a scam. If thereās someone willing to pay that much then how is that a scam. If itās not selling and heās just hopeful because what they have sold for on eBay whatās wrong with that?
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Never a dull moment around here, or the facebook page. So so many people assuming things. So many jealous trolls. So many people thinking that they have the right to wantonly interject their opinion in other peoplesā business. This place & the facebook page are absolutely overflowing with hypocrites & countless people who are delusional who think that they are going to demonize (others) their way into something/somewhere that is more to their liking.
Each and EVERY person that has been denigrating me for weeks would literally do the same thing in heartbeat, and they know it. Anyone who says otherwise doesnāt have a single shred of credibility.
WHY IN THE WORLD would someone not expect to get relatively similar ballpark value for an item that has sold multiple times previously for between $2,000-$3,000?
Youāre telling me that thereās some kind of moral code that would cause you to sell a mask for two thousand, one thousand, five hundred dollars less than what other people have sold the same thing for? Thatās just sheer stupidity. People sit there & claim itās because of some B.S. ābrotherhoodā? If so, I call you an outright fraud. Get off your high horse.
Iām supposed to short change myself and ignore history? Why, because someone else says I should? Because YOU say that itās āwrongā?
I stood in-line for almost exactly 5 years & 2 months for the darn thing, all the while, during that 5+ years, dozens upon dozens of people came & went selling their masks for UNGODLY amounts of money without so much as a peep of being rundown by all of the Saints around here? But when I decide to sell mine Iām a scumbag scammer? Laugh. Out. Effing. Loud. You frauds, trying to make me the bad guy. I see another JC ToTs H18 mask sell for $3,000 then again for somewhere between $2,000 & $2,500, but Iām the villain??? Iām supposed to sell mine for what, less than I put into it & less than what others have sold theirs for just because a vocal group of phonies have some kind of venomous hard on over what the going rate actually is & just canāt stand it? You just canāt stand what other people spend on masks because you canāt afford it or you donāt agree with it? You want to label me greedy behind the safety of your keyboard? F off you fake.
Iām not scamming anyone, never have, NEVER will. I do business 1,000% by the book, probably more professionally than the VAST majority of members here.
Unlike you, I live in the real world where I donāt believe Iām entitled to not have to work for the things I want or spend the necessary price to obtain the things I set my sights on. I donāt get salty at other people for paying what they pay for something I simply choose not to pay the same price for. I donāt vomit spite, bitterness and malice at those who understand how a capitalist free market economy functions. I donāt sit behind a keyboard & take every opportunity to disparage other people because I canāt accept how the world actually works.
Years ago I made the mistake of offering another memberās stated asking price for an item they were selling only to have that member turn around & tell me that it was now a āhighest bidder takes the itemā situation. I made the mistake of going to the choir to express my distain for what had transpired and you know what I was told? I was told that I WAS THE BAD GUY for not offering more because the item was worth more than the sellerās original asking price! I was told that the poor defenseless seller, whoās English is beyond perfect when things are amicable but magically turns into a jumbled mess of diarrhea when things arenāt (who has literally taken advantage of nearly ALL of the people in this ācommunityā for over 15 years by pulling the wool over their eyes & dressing the exact same thing in any number of different outfits to get people to continually buy the next, exactly the same, iteration), somehow didnāt know what the item was truly worth (uh huh, yeah, rightā¦). I was told: āHow would YOU feel if you sold something only to later see the person it was sold to turn around & double, triple, quadruple their money re-selling it?ā, āyou should have offered more since itās clearly worth moreā. Honest to God, SMH.
Frauds.
Thereās a lot of really cool, decent people around here who understand how things work. For some reason, thereās a greater number of people who refuse to accept reality & believe itās their duty to run down anyone/anything they see as corrupt & they set out to force their views on the people they disagree with. Look in the damn mirror. Itās no different than yelling, screaming, advocating tolerance, tolerance, tolerance, but, only tolerance of what āI find importantā, not what YOU find important, what YOU find important doesnāt matter. That, folks, is the text book definition of hypocrisy.
OF COURSE Iām going to try to get as much money as I can for something Iām selling. Why? Because Iām not an imbecile & I donāt live in fantasy land. Does that mean I actually expect to get my original asking price? In the majority of instances, of course not. I understand how negotiation works. Generally speaking, unless you are dealing with a total moron rube, you canāt work back up in a negotiation. It doesnāt work that way. And, no one is putting a gun to anyone elseās head forcing them to spend more than they want to spend. Iām not taking advantage of anyone. Never have, never will. Whatās with the incessant petulant need to yell & scream at people selling something for a price you donāt agree with? You want to āfeel badā for someone who pays more for something than you would? Thatās on you. You want to demonize someone for selling something to someone else for more than YOU would pay for it? Again, thatās your issue, not anyone elseās. Shut your mouth and mind your own business you child.
Whole post overall is correct, but THIS part. Absolutely, positively, 100% correct.
I literally just had this conversation a few weeks ago with a friend. I think that JCās prices, while a portion of the value is obviously to avoid a 5 year wait, has justified itself over the years. His pieces repeatedly go for this much no matter what the actual mask is. Itās his wait time, quality, and outstanding work that have given his refinished masks this price tag, not anyone necessarily being greedy.
At this point, itās a brand. No different than going out & deciding to buy a Cadillac Escalade over a Chevy Tahoe. You want the bargain bin interior, engine & suspension? Thatās YOUR choice. You want the sleek cushy hand stitched leather interior with heated/cooled seats, the 12-speaker 1000 watt sound system, side impact & blind spot alerts, the V8 engine that torques, suspension that hugs the road and Brembos that stop on a dime? Thatās YOUR choice.
Someone needs to sit behind a keyboard and scream & cry at GM & call them scumbag greedy scammers for charging what they charge instead of simply moving on & focusing their attention on other things that actually involve them? I say that person has a mental problem & should mind their own effing business 
Why is JC a 5 year wait? just curious.