Can someone please explain why there are so many negative reviews for Kills?

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I mean Ill go ahead and say I didnt like the cheesy mob mentality. And I didnt like the repetitive “he has to die” “evil dies tonight” but that aside I loved it so much.

Im not sure if the ones who hate this film understand that every movie beyond ‘78’is irrelevant and picks back up on 2018. I dont know if the hardcore haters are the diehard RZ Halloween fans but I do know I found the contiunity, the story intertwining, and picking up 40 years later from all the characters great. I loved the lighting, the cinematography, the mask, everything.

Of course, tastes and opinions vary but the minute details and easter eggs and callbacks to the first 4 original Halloweens were just good writing. So what am I missing? Is it cause JLK didnt jump outta bed and go out hunting Michael? It is because RZ didnt direct it? Lets talk!

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Unfortunately film critics look for different things than fans do but even in that regard this film is a lot stronger than is being reviewed

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It doesn’t surprise me. The same has been said for each film in the series, although I think it does feel silly that it is to this extent. Don’t let it bring you down. If you liked it. Awesome. I liked it too. We have to remember who’s doing the talking. We live in a world where everyone loves to hate on everything.

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Don’t forget that most critics hated the original Halloween and The Thing and countless others as well

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Exactly.

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I read reviews, just to see what other people have to say about things, but I don’t really bother trying to understand where there are coming from, whether it’s love or hate, sometimes I can relate to them, sometimes I can’t, I like to see what others feel about things, but if they dislike something or hate something that I like, I don’t bother to try and understand it unless I relate to where their coming from, sometimes I do, but I don’t put too much energy into.

Even movies I dislike, I respect that work goes into making a film, but sometimes I feel like the end result stinks, or things about it don’t work so well.

In regard to any film beyond the 1978 film be irrelevant, it’s irrelevant within the context of the new films, but to people who love those films they still exist for them, they don’t disappear from the shelf of anyone who owns them. I wasn’t a fan of ditching Halloween 2, but I understand the reasons why they did with 2018. for me that does not mean the Halloween 2 does not exist, because I grew up on it, it was canon for 37 years, whether that was a good or a bad thing.

But given that Halloween Continuity has been all over the place, I didn’t have a problem with seeing new variation on sequel-izing the original film,
I felt there was room for it, I did feel that the intended Flashback for 2018, that John Carpenter said was not needed, should have been done, because I felt it would have brought more clarity, and would have been better to firmly establish onscreen, that it diverges from Halloween 2. although there would still be people that didn’t get it, I think it would have helped a lot, statements might have been all over the place that the original sequels are left behind, but I would not trust that everyone is going to pay attention to that, it’s like using a tie in comic to explain what should have been in a film. that’s my personal opinion, but I think there is weight to it.

I Liked the 2018 movie, didn’t always agree with choices made, but for what it was I liked it. I Liked this new one, in fact I think I liked it a bit better, I’m not a blood and guts person(as an adult I’m not) but I’ve seen worse, it’s a Halloween Film, those things are going to happen, I think the Cheesy mob Mentality worked fine for the film, that mentality is not something exclusive to fiction, History is full of it, so I thought there was a certain validity to it, I think the film descended into it a little too quick, but in Life, things can happen pretty quick. I Cringe to an extent at the “Evil Dies Tonight” chant, but that’s because I see Tommy losing sight of what he himself said in the original film “You can’t Kill The Boogeyman” and him loosing sight of that came at a price. I think that’s an element of the story that actually works(for me anyway) The irony of it works, and I feel it is actually appropriate. but that’s just my opinion.

I Respect that there are people who hate this film, in their minds they have some sort of reason for it, just as I have my reasons for liking it. it’s not at all perfect, but better than I thought it would be. I see people acting like it’s crazy to suggest Michael is something Supernatural again, and that he should be Human like in the original. But Michael was always a Force Of Nature, I think the Original Film was perfectly clear in that, and I think this film re-enforces that(intentionally) but that’s just my opinion

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I agree that it’s a little overhated especially to people that aren’t even fans of the franchise. I will say the dialogue and pacing were my biggest gripes with the movie. I don’t know how all that dialogue was allowed to pass into the final movie. Every line felt like a cheesy one liner. I didn’t like how they had to keep referencing that its been forty years. It’s almost luke they wanted to keep reminding us it’s a Halloween film through constant callbacks that get old after awhile. Also the scenes were kinda all over the place. Nothing flowed well. And there was so many scenes that felt too drawn out or pointless and the good scenes weren’t long enough. The firefighter scene shoulda been way longer than it was. Everything you see was literally in the first trailer. The end scene shoulda been longer too. I think Michael shoulda put up more of a fight before he went down. I also think it woulda been a perfect opportunity for him to do the classic situp instead of ninja knifing bracket. All the kills there were huge missed opportunities. They shoulda been like all the other ones. Drawn out and gruesome. It shouldn’t have been a slowmo montage in a completely black background. It would be cooler if he used just his hands and brute strength against all of them possibly a one take shot. The ending felt super rushed and unsatisfactory. Michael suddenly gets into his house without anyone noticing and “kills” karen. I honestly kinda liked her character in this one. She kinda just got thrown away just like Jamie’s mom in part 4 as a shock factor ending. It wasn’t even a good kill. Just a bunch of jumbled cuts of him stabbing the air and her screaming. I think the movie would’ve been much better if they focused more on the already established characters of Laurie, Karen and Allyson. All the new characters felt flat and just fodder for Michael to kill.
The few goods things I enjoyed were michael himself, the music and cinematography (however I still think 2018 had better cinematography). Every scene he’s in, he’s terrifying even more so than 2018. I do think they went a little too much with the eye gouge kill. It felt a little too “Friday the 13th” for me. The mask and James Jude Courtney’s portrayal along with Airon Armstrong from the flashback are possibly my favorites in the series so far though. I was really thinking they would learn what they did wrong in 2018 but it seems they just made it far worse. Right now I would rank 2018 higher than Kills. I felt it took itself a bit more seriously and the characters weren’t as cringy as this one. I really expected more from this movie however I’m still hoping Ends will give us what we all want.

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Because the dialogue was pretty horrible as much as it was over the top. I seriously wanted to turn it off with all of the “Big John Little John Little John Big John” crap and then when Little John said “Michael… you came home” I wanted to barf. The “Evil Dies Tonight” was cheesy and not needed, not even by Laurie and all her attitude as she was holed up in the hospital. It got repeated ad nauseum and each time was cheesier than the time before. I know the writers wanted to pay some lip service to the fans, but in one of the most intense and important scenes of the movie, was it really necessary to have Brackett quote himself from the first movie? That far more over the top than it needed to be. I think it’s safe to say that this movie tried to do too much where it didn’t fit and reaching for that level of nostalgia can get you penalized and I feel that’s what many reviewers did, especially ones that are not invested in the Halloween saga and are looking for a horror flick to deliver the horror.


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Well put! My thoughts exactly.