…Think as a customer you would like or hope that all artists would allow you creative input on your conversions/request lists ? or would it not bother you if you weren’t allowed any input and the Artist had full control of the conversion and created a Myers for you using their vision and only their vision ? would you seek to get work done elsewhere if you weren’t allowed to have your say on what or how you would like your mask to look ? this is a totally innocent post so don’t anyone go getting the wrong idea here’ i am just curious to hear peoples thoughts on this topic,thanks.
Anthony.
I would have some input if I desired a certain look, but in the end its all up to the artist vision and the final touches.
JD
I’ve never seen anyone denied their input on their conversions. But I would hope that the customer was allowed input, seeing as they are paying you for their mask to be finished. Personally, I’m pretty picky about how my masks are finished, although I have left some with some free reign. Benny’s going to hate me, having to do these Shats for me. I just sent him a long, detailed PM on how I’d like just the H2 Shat finished. 
I think that old saying rings true. The customer is always right. If I’m paying somebody to convert a mask I’d like to have input on how the mask looks. -Tom
Benny doing that H2 Shat is going to be insane man!!! Can’t wait to see it Matt!
Me too.
Good points,i agree Dren,i am very picky myself when it comes to how i want my masks to look,on one hand i am fortunate enough to be able to do my own work and satisfy my own pickyness but that doesn’t mean i don’t want or won’t want a conversion by a fellow artist down the road because i will at some point i am sure of it,and if i was not allowed any of my own creative input then that would really put me off persuing the conversion,i want a conversion without the “you will get what i make you” mentality,as already stated you are the one paying for the work to be done so should be allowed complete input on eyecut style/paint/flesh/weathering/hair style/glue lines/nose holes/ear holes/mouth slit…you name it.
I strongly encourage my customers to make as many personal requests as they possibly can! After all, the customer is always right… especially when it’s their money and mask involved! I might put a slight twist to their requests… but I always honor their wishes the best I can. Now, if someone asks me what I think about their ideas, and I think something can be improved upon, then I’ll give my thoughts. It’s a joint effort between the customer and I, and that’s what it takes to make us both happy!
JC
I feel anyone who puts up the money for the mask to be re-done should always be aloud to tell the converter how the mask should look, in their eyes. The converter should do their best to make the conversion to the standards of the purchaser. Now, unless clearly stated by the converter that their conversions come in only specific versions without the input of the buyer, then all the above is void.
I follow Disney’s standards of costumer service; I’ve taken classes thru them since my mid-college days. The old standard of “The customer is always right” is wrong. Customers made that statement and I’ve found out thru customer service, the guest is usually embellishing the truth to make someone, anyone listen to them. Disney took that and refined it into “The guest may not be right, but their always guest.” That is why they are the leaders in customer service.
This is exactly how it should be,putting a slight twist on the conversion is cool and an exciting additional element for the customer,i can also understand someone who may not know what they want from the conversion and just allow you to take full control of the reigns and go with it in your own way’ there is nothing wrong with that but at least you are allowing the customer the right to his own input if he so wishes to give it,and chances are they will end up with a mask they are completely happy with either way.
I would like to have input.
Input is a must and I’m always willing to pay the amount needed in any conversion or comission.
I’d be greatful if mask makers and converters would simply state, “Hey, I can’t do that”, instead of sending me back something that isn’t done.
I agree with most of the replies here. I don’t want it to sound like I was pushy or anything, but I do have the need to have specifications in my masks, and if it isn’t the way I would want it, I would probably not be the most satisfied guy. Artists of course should have their say, since they are the one’s who are putting work into the mask and also are the ones who should be happy with their work, but the customers should have their input, too, since their money and mask is involved. If there is an artist who uses only their opinion, I wouldn’t expect disappointment in ALL of their customers. If you know this is how the mask will look, then decide whether you like it or not. For me, I would probably ask for “weathered flesh and some darker flesh on the back of the neck, maybe brown hair instead of blonde”. If that artist said NO, I wouldn’t get my panties in a bunch, but would be sort of unsatisfied in the end (if I had continued with the conversion).
I agree with James that it should be a part of the process by having to agree on both sides, being 100% satisfied with what the outlook will be in the end.
I can see how the one’s who never had a good understanding of what they wanted or lesser experienced eyes and weren’t sure what input to give would go to an artist who never took “request lists” and they wouldn’t have a problem with it.
Some good point’s lads.
bang on the money here!!! I have no further questions your honor LOL
Great Thread Dude!
Of Course! The customer should always be allowed input on their masks. Especially with high amount of money involved. As an artist, I find custom pieces can be more challenging as your bringing someone else’s vision to life and not your own…and I love that!
That’s why I DO NOT
-Take customers money
-Send customer mask
Until they are 110 % satisfied with the work.
I would definitely need to have some input. The way I see the “Hero” is not necessarily the way the artist sees it. So yes if I’m paying for something I need to know that I will like it in the end.
Exactly,what if you decided to take the plunge and go with the artist who never allowed you input even though you would have prefered to give it and you put your full trust in them pulling it off the way you see the Hero only for the end result to far from live up to your expectations ? would you feel cheated/disappointed/let down/never see that artist in the same light again ? also you would be stuck between a rock and a hard place and most likely want to sell your not so Hero looking conversion that you have waited quite a period of time for in high hope and expectancy and in the end all will have been for nothing and a waste of time and possibly money aswell.
This is a very interesting topic. I do agree with the replies but this isn’t always the case outside of the Myers world. I can’t imagine trying to tell the Tharps, Casey, Jordu, Fuller, Bohr or Justin how to paint certain monsters. Aside from color and a specific request (blood, slime, etc) they essentially do it on their own. I think the Myers world allows for the customer to have more input than most other worlds. Not necessarily a good or bad thing either way, just an observation.
Very interesting point,Matt!!