Corey is more interesting than Myers

[Caleb_Croft]

Personally, I disagree. The idea behind Corey Cunningham is interesting. It really is. But the way it was executed was poor. Even for a character-driven slasher, Corey comes off more as an edgy school shooter than he does an embodiment of the evil that Michael Myers was.

Haddonfield treated him with an unrealistic kind of poorness, even by the fact that people do stupid things when afraid. We should have seen him become more and more detached from the people around him. We should have seen him become more and more like Michael Myers. Instead, we get an edgy copycat with “I wanna burn it all down” kinda personality. That would have made more sense with what Laurie was saying: that she saw Michael’s eyes, his evil, his detachedness in Corey.

If I could change anything, I’d make the following:

1. Bring Michael to the forefront. Let him be the Boogeyman for his last hurrah. Sure, keep Corey connecting with Michael, but have it happen at a different point.

2. Change Corey Cunningham’s overall personality. It didn’t mesh well with becoming Myers 2.0. In fact, I’ll do you one better. Instead of Corey going around and killing people and talking about how no one understands him, let him become slowly more and more detached. More stalky. More creepy. And then have Ends end where it all began: a kid on Halloween night standing outside his front porch with a bloody knife, in a one piece suit and mask. Have his first kill be Allyson, his mother (changed to be kinder than she was), or even Laurie Strode herself.

It would’ve been a better film overall if Green and McBride had left it open that Corey would be the new contemporary Shape: Michael’s time was done. He was 64 at his death. It would have been masterful, especially if they had the focus on the Strodes moving past their grief and Corey was a background character for most of the film, while the Strodes became Michael’s targets in addition to neighbors and friends.

Any way you paint it…it is a epic failure imo. The Corey thing is not interesting. Not in the least bit. Movies are very subjective. We all have our unique views on what we “wish had happened” That don’t fix it. Yes I am a purist but that doesn’t mean I won’t appreciate a good story/film making team. This just isn’t one of them. None of the last three in my eyes

To each their own. Halloween 1978 is sacrosanct in my eyes, and can’t really be ruined. But H18 is made worse by the existence of the others of its trilogy, none more egregious than Ends. But I will probs turn on H18 every so often, and will continue to have a place for '18 and the lightning in a bottle it was for myself. It was reinvigoration. It was decent. Better than any sequel bar 2, which is more an extended epilogue than anything. It’s such a shame that DGG and DMB doubled down on the pretentiousness of their trilogy’s messages imo.

[Acorad]

Any way you paint it…it is a epic failure imo. The Corey thing is not interesting. Not in the least bit. Movies are very subjective. We all have our unique views on what we “wish had happened” That don’t fix it. Yes I am a purist but that doesn’t mean I won’t appreciate a good story/film making team. This just isn’t one of them. None of the last three in my eyes

To each their own. Halloween 1978 is sacrosanct in my eyes, and can’t really be ruined. But H18 is made worse by the existence of the others of its trilogy, none more egregious than Ends. But I will probs turn on H18 every so often, and will continue to have a place for '18 and the lightning in a bottle it was for myself. It was reinvigoration. It was decent. Better than any sequel bar 2, which is more an extended epilogue than anything. It’s such a shame that DGG and DMB doubled down on the pretentiousness of their trilogy’s messages imo.

I wasn’t that into H18 but they would have been rock stars to everyone if they stopped there

[ILove10aflyViper]

2018 played it super safe, and to me it was a rehash of 1978 in many ways. Kills was a generic slasher, but the Jason fans loved it. Ends has a certain class to it, in that it delves into some pretty deep stuff, a slow burner, and that’s why I feel it’s the superior film, it didn’t copy the others.

But it would seem people want more of the same.

Back in 2017 I predicted The Last Jedi would end up the most well received of the ST because it was the most different, and so far that prediction has proved true. I predict the same for Halloween Ends. It’s the least run of the mill of the Blumhouse trilogy. It’s unique and I think it may end up a sleeper fan favorite like H3 and H6 (producer’s cut) are.

Absolutely agree, on both the Star Wars and Ends points (although Kills is my favorite of this trilogy!)

[Riddict]

The Star Wars and Halloween fanbases are about as toxic as it gets. Very similar. You just have to navigate the sludge.

[Acorad]

The Star Wars and Halloween fanbases are about as toxic as it gets. Very similar. You just have to navigate the sludge.

Indeed… I hated the Last Jedi but liked Ends… so strange. There’s no accounting for taste eh? Lol

[Space_Mage]

And just think, Rey is where the entire film industry has started to crash and burn, Force Awakens, TLJ and ROS all had great ideas on paper, that’s it, and then we have Ghostbusters 2016, where the bomb dropped hard

[ILove10aflyViper]

GB16 sucks, but the entire discourse around that movie is such an embarrassing joke.

[Joe_Grizzly]

Michael is a stoic killer we have no true understanding of the motivation of and has never shown humanity, so of course Corey is a more interesting character by definition alone. “Interesting” has not exactly been in this franchise’s reporotirre.

Your topic name is really just common sense but something tells me it will trigger a lot of people. This movie has had that effect, and it’s a shame.

[Davy_Krueger]

And just think, Rey is where the entire film industry has started to crash and burn, Force Awakens, TLJ and ROS all had great ideas on paper, that’s it, and then we have Ghostbusters 2016, where the bomb dropped hard

The ST had a lot of potential wasted in favor of nostalgia mining. It’s like all Hollywood knows how to do anymore is make “Memberberries: The Movie.” Ghostbusters, Star Wars, A Christmas Story, Halloween, McDonald’s Boo Buckets. Companies know that right now Millennials are the age group bringing up kids and the ones who want to share their childhood with their own children. The Blumhouse trilogy is just another in the latest of movies designed to cater to 1980s and 1990s nostalgia. The amount of times the movies slid in wink-wink nudge-nudge was unneccessary.

The Star Wars and Halloween fanbases are about as toxic as it gets. Very similar. You just have to navigate the sludge.

People who think that Halloween movies should just be an hour and a half of Michael either stabbing or stalking people remind me of people who think Star Wars should be two-hour lightsaber battles, or that Jurassic Park movies should be two-hour documentary shots of dinosaurs.

You NEED a story in there, even if its’s not the story you’d have personally written.

[Riddict]

People who think that Halloween movies should just be an hour and a half of Michael either stabbing or stalking people remind me of people who think Star Wars should be two-hour lightsaber battles, or that Jurassic Park movies should be two-hour documentary shots of dinosaurs.

You NEED a story in there, even if its’s not the story you’d have personally written.

Couldn’t agree more Davy and hey I like my Boo Buckets!

[DarknessBDJM]

That’s just part IV-VI and the original Carpenter contracted script of IV, Friday the 13th’s V and IX, A Nightmare on Elm Street II and New Nightmare all over again. It’s nothing we haven’t seen before. Corey is just a worse version of Arnie from Christine, Eric from Fade to Black, or Ragman from Trick or Treat (there are about a dozen+ horror films like this where the bullied or shunned person finds some comfort in something that is or turns out to be evil and that person then embracing the evil), if someone finds that interesting, that’s ok, but I’m just saying that there are better options out there and it’s nothing new (it’s honestly an oft used trope). If you want something classy like that try Session 9, Kiyoshi Kurosawa’s Cure, George Romero’s Martin, or Ginger Snaps, they are all far better films than Ends so wasting a Halloween series entry on an inferior version of this trope is a shame.

The Shape was always anywhere and everywhere as the ending of the original showed and Michael/The Shape was always a stand in for the kid down the street/next door so I don’t know what Corey changed? Michael’s presence somehow being free of a body does nothing really. People not seeing this is more so the fault of so many of the films trying to characterize Michael as a person instead of using him as the '78 original did. Part II (much less so than the others here but it was the start), V, the RZH films, the ending of H:20, and the Blumhouse trilogy are all guilty of this. Per Carpenter’s own words The Shape/Michael was always meant to be a force so trying to make him human only robbed the character of that aspect so Ends was completely unnecessary in that respect.

[Caleb_Croft]

That’s just part IV-VI and the original Carpenter contracted script of IV, Friday the 13th’s V and IX, A Nightmare on Elm Street II and New Nightmare all over again. It’s nothing we haven’t seen before. Corey is just a worse version of Arnie from Christine, Eric from Fade to Black, or Ragman from Trick or Treat (there are about a dozen+ horror films like this where the bullied or shunned person finds some comfort in something that is or turns out to be evil and that person then embracing the evil), if someone finds that interesting, that’s ok, but I’m just saying that there are better options out there and it’s nothing new (it’s honestly an oft used trope). If you want something classy like that try Session 9, Kiyoshi Kurosawa’s Cure, George Romero’s Martin, or Ginger Snaps, they are all far better films than Ends so wasting a Halloween series entry on an inferior version of this trope is a shame.

The Shape was always anywhere and everywhere as the ending of the original showed and Michael/The Shape was always a stand in for the kid down the street/next door so I don’t know what Corey changed? Michael’s presence somehow being free of a body does nothing really. People not seeing this is more so the fault of so many of the films trying to characterize Michael as a person instead of using him as the '78 original did. Part II (much less so than the others here but it was the start), V, the RZH films, the ending of H:20, and the Blumhouse trilogy are all guilty of this. Per Carpenter’s own words The Shape/Michael was always meant to be a force so trying to make him human only robbed the character of that aspect so Ends was completely unnecessary in that respect.

[Slazbob]

Michael is a stoic killer we have no true understanding of the motivation of and has never shown humanity, so of course Corey is a more interesting character by definition alone. “Interesting” has not exactly been in this franchise’s reporotirre.

Your topic name is really just common sense but something tells me it will trigger a lot of people. This movie has had that effect, and it’s a shame.

He couldn’t even break the sliding glass door…and hurt his little hand. Haha…did you see what those lame bullies did to him? 0 interest.

[Joe_Grizzly]

Michael is a stoic killer we have no true understanding of the motivation of and has never shown humanity, so of course Corey is a more interesting character by definition alone. “Interesting” has not exactly been in this franchise’s reporotirre.

Your topic name is really just common sense but something tells me it will trigger a lot of people. This movie has had that effect, and it’s a shame.

He couldn’t even break the sliding glass door…and hurt his little hand. Haha…did you see what those lame bullies did to him? 0 interest.

So what? He’s a human.

The metaphor wasn’t that Michael’s curse makes other people inhuman, lol.

[Slazbob]

Michael is a stoic killer we have no true understanding of the motivation of and has never shown humanity, so of course Corey is a more interesting character by definition alone. “Interesting” has not exactly been in this franchise’s reporotirre.

Your topic name is really just common sense but something tells me it will trigger a lot of people. This movie has had that effect, and it’s a shame.

He couldn’t even break the sliding glass door…and hurt his little hand. Haha…did you see what those lame bullies did to him? 0 interest.

So what? He’s a human.

The metaphor wasn’t that Michael’s curse makes other people inhuman, lol.

Is Michael inhuman? That’s a new one to me. Especially since they killed him in the very movie that you’re defending.

[Joe_Grizzly]

He couldn’t even break the sliding glass door…and hurt his little hand. Haha…did you see what those lame bullies did to him? 0 interest.

So what? He’s a human.

The metaphor wasn’t that Michael’s curse makes other people inhuman, lol.

Is Michael inhuman? That’s a new one to me. Especially since they killed him in the very movie that you’re defending.

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So this is the first Halloween movie you’ve ever actually watched. Got it.

[Slazbob]

So what? He’s a human.

The metaphor wasn’t that Michael’s curse makes other people inhuman, lol.

Is Michael inhuman? That’s a new one to me. Especially since they killed him in the very movie that you’re defending.

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So this is the first Halloween movie you’ve ever actually watched. Got it.

Haha…that’s what I figured. Run along

[DesertVader]

@Slazbob

Is Michael inhuman? That’s a new one to me. Especially since they killed him in the very movie that you’re defending. [emoji1786]

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So this is the first Halloween movie you’ve ever actually watched. Got it.

Haha…that’s what I figured. Run along

Michael is very clearly superhuman brother


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[Davy_Krueger]

Eh, Michael’s inhumanity has always varied from movie to movie. Anywhere from 100% human (RZ timeline) to a representation of the evil of Samhain itself (Thorn timeline). Even in the Reboot timeline Michael’s humanity has wavered. In H18 he’s presented as human, but by the end of Kills he’s a spirit of Halloween ravaging the townspeople of Haddonfield like the Grim Reaper himself.

[The_Demon_Bishop]

In Ends, didn’t Laurie say that Myers was just a man behind a mask? Or something along those lines.