I still want to know what TLW meant when he spoke about a different mask being used for H2 immediately after they spoke about Debra.
Maybe I’m completely wrong, but it sounded like TLW literally says the masks used in H2 were NOT the same ones used in H1… which would mean the H1 hero mask is still out there somewhere… someone please tell me I misheard what he said… or tell me TLW is wrong, because that is BIG NEWS to me if TLW is correct in saying that the production team on H2 used newly made DP masks for the film.
Here’s a link to the timestamp in Sean’s podcast where TLW literally says the masks used in H2 are NOT the same ones used in H1. https://youtu.be/PL1SiVvxxXw?t=5932
Weird he said that. Why would Nick Castle hand over his mask to them for H2 if they were gonna use new masks for H2 ? Also there is a lot of evidence out there indicating it was the same 3 masks used in both films.
That’s exactly why it’s bothering me so much. He even gives Sean an opportunity to correct him if he’s wrong, but Sean nods in agreement. How have I not heard this before? To my knowledge, the Hero from H1 is the Hero in H2, which is the mask DW owned for years and is now a mess and privately owned. IF TLW is correct (and Sean seems to think he his) the mask we have all assumed is the Hero from H1 could actually be a DP creation made exclusively for H2… meaning the actual hero from H1 is AWOL.
This is all probably a misunderstanding… but TLW seems pretty damn sharp, and SEAN, you know, the guy with a breadth of knowledge and connections unmatched by almost everyone else in the horror world, was sitting right there nodding in agreement.
I’m not sure how this isn’t a bigger deal to the community at the moment… even if it is a misunderstanding. I mean, we all got wrapped up in the Debra dilemma… but no one bats an eye when TOMMY LEE WALLACE, corroborated by SEAN CLARK, says the masks used in H2 were not in fact the same masks used in H1. That’s a HUGE statement.
Because he’s right… but also not right, I think he just worded it wrong to be honest. Don post did in fact send over a box of “Myers masks” during the filming of Halloween 2 before they were able to get ahold of the actual mask, hence why they were desperate for Tommy to come help since they didn’t know at the beginning stages if that was gonna be possible but they were never actually used in the film. There is countless images showing proof that H1 and H2 are the exact same mask if you compare small details side by side, the eyecuts alone should prove that cause that’s something nearly impossible to replicate perfectly. But let’s say they did replicate them perfectly somehow, then why did they make the mask so gross looking when it was supposed to be pure white like in H1? Wouldn’t make any sense lol. Plus at the end of the movie when the blood tears were added was on a stunt mask which has many times been confirmed to have been used in H1 prior also do to small details being matched up to it. Hope this helps ease your mind, like I said I think he really just worded it wrong
If he did word his statements wrong, he didn’t just mix up a word or two or jumble the phrasing… he literally says the masks used in the film were made by Don Post specifically for the production of H2.
To be clear, I can see how his statement can be interpreted as confused or lacking context, perhaps. Maybe he was referring to memories of his involvement BEFORE the H1 masks were acquired on set as you suggested. BUT he quite literally says that at the end of it all they went with DP masks that were a bit thicker and perhaps looked different than the ones used in H1.
Here’s the transcript of what he said in case anyone wants to read it, emphasis mine:
“And several other factors come into play. It’s never the same mask after the original Halloween. Even the ones on two; they called me, I don’t know how many times, to try to work it out, but they had Don Post involved. And I believe in the end, Sean you may correct me if I’m wrong, I believe in the end they were going with masks that Don Post was turning out in his mask factory, and rightfully so because I mean he’d done the original Star Trek masks. However, I do believe that he must have used a little bit thicker latex or something cause the effect IS subtly different, not to mention the fact that Dick Warlock IS wearing it and Dick has a big square face, handsome guy, but not like either Nick or me in terms of the shape of his face.”
Again, I can absolutely see how TLW maybe worded his statement awkwardly and it’s creating this confusion in my head, but his statement is about as clear-cut as it gets.
Well I’m trying to give Tommy the benefit of the doubt but if he genuinely believes it wasn’t the same mask then he’s blatantly wrong…
What bothers me is why Sean didn’t correct him? I’m assuming he was just trying to be nice or not paying attention but it’s been proven time and time again it was the same mask.
I mean look at the eyes, the hair line, the flesh tones and where they are missing.
You gotta take in consideration how OCD we all are about the mask now days and how hard it’s been analyzed but back then it was just a white Captain Kirk mask, there’s no way in HELL they painstakingly replicated the masks most important features especially if he’s saying they didn’t have the hero on hand.
I mean look at the stunt masks used for H1, none of them came close to what the actual hero resembled and they were all done up by Tommy at the same time.
I refuse to believe some random person took a random Kirk in 1981 on set and replicated the hairline, eyecuts and special details of the hero, there’s just no way.
Yeah sure the mask stretched out on Dicks face a lot and it was filthy but there’s just so many main details it had, there’s no way those were replicated by accident, Tommy is a smart guy and clearly remembers a lot but he was also never actually on the set of Halloween 2 as far I’ve heard? He was only really called when they wanted his help so I wouldn’t call him an expert of H2 personally.
He should be more careful when making statements about that especially with how much is Halloween fans analyze things lol
Over the years, in talking with Don Post, I kept hearing they made masks for Halloween II. I heard that very early in collecting. But, in talking with Rob and Cathy Tharp, they said they only made the Ben Tramer masks for Halloween II and those were made out of the master mold.
Yup this is what I’ve heard as well.
I’ve heard many times they sent a box of “Myers masks” to the set of Halloween 2 but those masks were just unconverted kirks not fully finished Myers
However, the Tramer masks were blonde hair, blueish silver with, Kirk eyes. They eyes got cut out by the stunt actor playing Tramer because he couldn’t see.
Yeah just these two spots alone proves its the same mask. No way they replicated the mask down to the minimal details, but on the same time didnt bother to spray paint the hair more black or the skin fish belly white like in h1.
