H1 Alternative Mask Theory....

I’m even starting to think that the mask was possibly even vinyl or latex. Mainly after seeing these screen-craps. The backside looks like the mask was poured rather than formed. Could be wrong.





The only thing that doesn’t support the mask being latex or vinyl is that the top half of the mask is only connected at a small part above the bridge of the nose. If the mask were made of a typical latex or vinyl, it seems that the mask wouldn’t hold it’s structure when not being worn ad would fold in half when picking it up. Hmm…

hey puckface bud…i always thought the mask was latex! it seems to flexible for plastic…especially when the dad grabs it off it scrunches like latex

we should find the closest masks and assemble a replica…i think that would be sick…its for sure a modified mask no way in hell would u never find one copy!!!.. hell look at all the masks from the 50s 60s and 70s still poking around and prestine at that!

First off, great thread, Scott! And very interesting hypothesis… however, I don’t believe the young Michael clown mask was the alternative mask for the adult Myers for one simple reason: the mask is not scary. It looks like a kid’s mask with nothing about it being frightening. The EK mask on the other hand? :myers: :laughing:

The young Michael clown mask sure is a mystery. I would have said it was pieced together by the crew, but then I think the paint is just too clean and professional to be done by unexperienced hands. Whilst I love a good mystery, I always prefer to have that mystery solved! :laughing:

Mark

Interesting and very fun read. Awesome :slight_smile:

Cathy Tharp reached out to me and asked me to clarify the above comment with the following:

Rob started [working at Don Post Studios] in '74 and I in '77 and we were both there when the film people came looking for a clown mask. Felix and Emmett were the only two clown masks in production at that time, so that is the only reason they were considered. They decided against both Emmett and Felix, because they were too recognizable. That does not mean that they may or may not have had a different clown mask in mind when they came to DPS, but those were the only ones we had for them to consider.

I would say there’s definitely a strong influence there.

Bumping this old thread up for it’s information

Thanks for that. Great read!

No problem!

I don’t really understand the comment about the filmmakers deciding against the Emmett and Felix masks because they were too recognizable. I thought Tommy Lee Wallace already bought an Emmett Kelly mask when he bought the Kirk mask and they decided to use the modified Kirk mask because it was creepier than the Kelly, not because it was too recognizable.

Just want to revive this thread because it is such an interesting read! You mentioned about there is a clown mask that had a cigar at one point! I found this on eBay, and thought it was a interesting find!

I am still a bit unclear where the cigar theory came from, any sources?
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So nobody has ever found a match to the original child myers mask? And if it was modified nobody has found the mask it was modified from? Pretty cool that some mysterious still remain after all these years

It is not modified. Colby actually found it listed in an old 1977 catalog of French import Halloween masks! Pics attached (photo credit Colby). Was super happy to see this pop up for several reasons.


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That one is a huge find when Colby found the listing! I am really wondering how many are there in circulation!

Oh damn that’s super awesome, so it is true tho that none are owned by anyone in the hobby that are known of?

Based on my observation, I think at the moment, no one in the hobby has the same exact model as the one in the movie!

Yeah, this thread is quite old. At the time, we knew virtually nothing about the mask and honestly still don’t. Other than the catalogue clipping that Colby found, as well as a similar mask that’s popped up that Mike Covert owns. Otherwise, it’s still very mysterious. It was a fun theory while it lasted, though!

Since this thread, I did find an accurate vintage nose on eBay that we may use as reference if we ever decide to tweak the sculpture and re-release our replica. Until then, I’m still very happy that we were able to get as close as we did by literally pausing the film on Blu ray while sculpting.
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The clown you guys did is killer, such a great piece.

Something that still perplexed me about that original clown mask is how the moving mouth mechanism would work. I’d thought of a bunch of ways but could never quite get it lol.

That and when the catalog photo was found it confirmed my theory about there being 2 bands (one on each side) instead of one from side to side, but I still wonder about that piece of material that crosses the open eye orbital. My best guess on that is it is the rubber band itself, but I’m curious if that plays into how the jaw moves somehow.


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We definitely got the strap wrong. The actual elastic we used seemed fine, but using one piece going around the head wasn’t correct. I believe that the actual mask features full loops, glued into place at strategic places to keep the mask from cracking. Rather than one strap going across the entire head, the loops simply wrap around each ear. This is likely the case, as Will Sandin has been quoted saying that the mask nearly ripped his ears off with how many takes they had to do for the scene. He described the experience as pretty painful. We did later end up gluing a piece of elastic between the eye-cuts to mimic this effect and strengthen the masks, but weren’t quite on the money just yet. (Seen down below) But yeah, I think the piece you see inside the eyecut is part of the strap loop, itself.

As far as the jaw, a piece of elastic glued to the inside pulls off the mouth movement pretty well. Pretty sure that’s how Mike’s “sister mask” was assembled. Furthermore, I believe the straps were either stapled or stitched in place. At least the jaw strap was. More features you can see on Mike’s similar mask.

The only video of our jaw movement was this old moment from Mask-Fest in 2014. (This was when we debuted the masks and were still using inaccurate, store bought noses.)

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