So overlaying a photo of a 98 proto on top of the h4, u can notice how low the h4 eyes are down… which makes me believe they definately used the 83 mask prototype and filled in the eyes somehow, and then cut them accidentally so low giving it a stretched scooby doo style surprised look… somebody should try to do a mask with the eyes dropped this low…
This doesn’t prove much of anything 
. Some of this info isn’t correct or proven. How does a half overlay of a 98 proto prove it comes from an 83? If anything I think this post may confuse others sadly 
I own a first pull Damned 88 and I can say it’s not an 83. The Damned 88s have a small and skinny bridge and a small nose while the 98 proto has that skinny bridge as well eventually goes into a plump nose, or a bigger and rounder nose. The smaller eye cuts were before they eventually cut the larger ones. If I remember correctly, they cut them larger for Wilbur to see better I think, don’t remember exactly.
I don’t see it, honestly
Yeah everyone is a real forensic analyst here smh.
Haha, I mean sure we’re no forensic analyst but doesn’t take much to match up certain shapes of distinct features. I think what stands out the most is the nose and the lips, completely different sculpts.
Well first off the Damned 88 is not a direct cast of a pristine H4 mask. It has been retooled. Just as the actual H4 was retooled from a lifecast or kirk mask. Hard to tell which one, but some features point to a lifecast retool. The features that are on a lifecast or 83 myers or kirk are not going to match up to the H4 mask because it is not a pristine direct cast, a quick retool or something amateurishly done.
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Yes, it is retooled but when I’ve talk to Paul before, Scott from QOTS retooled the size of the masks. The most distinctive features on any Myers mask are the eyes, nose and the lips. As I talked to Paul, owner of one of the screenused H4 masks, the first pull which I bought from him is the best Damned 88 that has the pristine details to the actual screen used mask; as it’s a first pull and being a first pull, it caught all the details without them being washed out like other Damned 88s. So most likely Scott only retooled the sizes to give us the Damned 88s in size 23 and the other ones like the 388 which are much larger. I don’t see why Scott would retool anythink about the Damned 88 as that would ruin the whole point of getting a replica of the H4 mask. The only thing that Scott most likely only retooled on the Damned 88 are the sizes and adding outlines on where to cut the eyecuts. Yes it’s not a pristine cast off the actual screen used H4 mask, but is about 99% as close as you’ll get to the screen used masks.
When comparing the damned 88 to other screenused h4s features on the damned 88 are off. That’s something I noticed as I used the D88 as reference in the beginning of my sculpt just to get a good idea of things but quickly found out things were off when looking at screenused copies so had to fix my sculpt. The nose bridge on the actual H4 mask wasn’t that slim like the damned had it, ears are off, eye brow details are slightly off, there are things that are slightly off.
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Only screenused copy out there in existence is Pauls screenused mask. Other ones have either rotted away or just disappeared. You also have to keep in mind that when wearing a mask, it’ll warp and change the shape of the mask; the H4 mask is no exception. If you’ve ever seen the BTS photos of Wilbur, he does have a rectangular shaped head a bit with a wide nose. That’s why the H4 mask looks how it looks on screen as its a small mask for Wilbur so it’s going to take the shape of his head. Now looking when the mask is off, either on a stand or something, it’s the natural way it’s going to look. It really depends if you’re using the actual Damned 88 without anybody wearing it or looking at worn pictures of the Damned 88 or the screen used mask. That’s why the eyebrows or the nose would look off like you said. The eyebrows could easily shift position due to someones headshape and as well as the bridge of the nose couldve been seen as being wider than slimer. Infact, putting any Damned 88s near the screenused masks without it being worn, looks almost identical with some stuff being adjusted. Imo the slim nose bridge is exactly how the H4 mask was. Seeing the picture down below, looking at the Damned 88s nose bridge to the screenused one, look the same. Again like I stated, the nose bridge might have looked larger due to Wilbur’s head shape and the way the latex warped and shifted around his face.
I heard that it came from 83 it says it in the definitive guide and I wasn’t trying to prove anything? I just say if someone had a kirks eyes dropped it would probably look more accurate than the other kirks, the main goal of my post was to point out how the eyes drop a lot lower than regular Kirk mask eyes.
Alot of that is my fault. Myself and Don Post were talking about the mask from Halloween 4…he said he never supplied any masks…and, still says that. Ken Horn, who did the fx for the film, once worked at DPS. Don said he looked at the mask from Halloween 4 and said it would have had to be a smaller mask cast and enlarged improperly. I mentioned the 1984 version of “The Mask” and said that would be 100% his choice if he had to guess. I got a bunch of images from Halloween 4 and then compared them to the mask from the film compared them with the 1984 version of The Mask…side by side…not overlaping or layering. Side by side, they look pretty close to what Don stated. But, when overlayed, it does not match and it’s not the correct information.
Ken mentions exactly what he did to create that mask to Halloween 4 in Gorezone in 1988. Ken used an old Tramer mask left over from Halloween II, casted it and went from there. Ken now states he he got masks from DPS…but, as you can see, Don Post was not interviewed in the latest Halloween 4 documentary to refute the claim. I’ve talked with Paul, the current owner of a Halloween 4 mask, and showed him 2 specific eye fill in areas on the mask he has from Halloween 4 and we compared to the eye cuts made in the Halloween II Tramer…they match. Seals the deal for me.
Ken does not state this though, at least not in that Gorezone clipping you’re referring to. I know you’ve seen the clipping, but just for anyone else who has not:
He states that he was able to make adjustments on a mask left from Halloween 2 and a handful of other backup masks, but not that he made them. He also says “we did not have time to go into the lab and make one.”
I know that he now states DPS is who sent the backups, but I don’t know which is true. I also know DPS says they never did. One thing I do wanna touch on with Ken is that memories of FX artists today are often always wrong in some way, but that magazine clipping was the same year the film came out and the information is bound to be much more accurate than what he said in a Halloween doc 20+ years after the fact. And in that clipping he does not state he made them, just that he did adjustments on them.
Also, of the masks on set of H4 the only one that is a direct kirk casting (as a leftover H2 mask would be) is the school scene mask/Kelly meeker mask. That mask would almost have to be the one left over from H2 given it is from a different mold than the H4 sculpt. Otherwise there would’ve had to have been 2 molds on set: one of a kirk and the other of the H4 mold, which we know is highly unlikely.
Would they have had multiple Tramer masks for the car cash scene in H2? Cause they must have done more than 1 take, and needed back ups to set on fire for after Warlock crashing into the van
There was 3 Tramer masks made for Halloween II. They all were painted bluish/silver with blonde hair. Also, they all had Kirk eyes when they left DPS. (I have a picture of one of the masks being worn with Kirk eyes on the set of Halloween II in 1981. The stuntman cut the eyes bigger on set to see better.) 2 masks were destroyed, 1 was not. From the one that remained, Ken recasted it for Halloween 4. (“adjustments” and “back-ups” as stated in the article.) Now, this is the part that makes sense. Why did the Myers mask have blonde/white hair in Halloween 4? Maybe because they didn’t know any better and thought the mask was a Myers and not understanding it was a Tramer. That would make sense why the hair was white and painted brown/black for Halloween 4. Also, maybe a second Tramer survived Halloween II and again, they used it?
I’d love to see that photo.
I promised the source who gave it to me that I wouldn’t share it. If I purchased the image, I would. I will say this, Benny has seen everything I am stating and he also believes what I explained about the Halloween 4 mask origin.
Can you point out the lines that match with the Tramer eye and pauls mask then?
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Interesting I’m liking what I’m reading
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