And, of course Im being comical with my gif, I wouldn’t draw blades over someone’s opinion of a movie…I’m sure alot of people could give 2 poops what someone thinks of a movie. You’re either cinematomicly (is that even a word or just spelled wrong lol)blind or just looking to start a conversation and get us all to post silly gifs. I personally love Halloween, if others don’t, I really couldn’t care.
Lol, I know man. I also really don’t care if someone doesn’t like Halloween, I don’t like a lot of things some people love, but I wouldn’t go to a fan community of that thing that I don’t like and explain how it’s overrated and mediocre.
Frankly this is a pretty daft question. He’s asking for legitimate opinion and explanation of what makes the film great. And as someone who loves Halloween, I do have to admit he has some good points. So I’m going to do something few are willing to do, apparently. Which is not resort to the “this is a Halloween forum, derp” response (“try reddit” is about as futile an answer as you can give) as a lazy crutch and I’m going to take the challenge of answering this question, especially as I think it’s a really easy one to answer.
The bottom line, before getting into specifics, is that despite some admittedly big faults (which I pointed out in my review video), such as requiring excessive suspension of disbelief and some really bad character choices, the movie wins overall because of excellent technique, direction and more importantly, the ability to create real dread.
An effective film can make you forgive its flaws because what it does well it does well enough to have a profound effect on you as a viewer. Every movie has elements that are seemingly farfetched and Halloween is no exception. Michael’s terrible aim and unrealistic strength, not to mention many visual flaws and plot holes, are indeed things that take away from the film. However, the techniques used to shoot and edit this film were considered revolutionary at the time and they still up as effective today. More than anything, the atmosphere, the music, the character of Michael Myers give the film a real sense of dread and fright that few horror films can accomplish. If you judge a film solely based on its flaws you’ll never really find too many “good” films. The film does more right than wrong and it’s easy to forgive when most of the “wrongs” are primarily due to a lack of funding. For a film made by such a young director at the time I’d say it is surprising the film was as profoundly mature and effective as it was.
Frankly, I’d say you didn’t make nearly enough of a case for the film being “overrated,” a few rather forgivable flaws doesn’t take away the incredible effectiveness of such an ambitious film.
For those claiming this is just trolling and outright rejecting their thread, consider this: a LOT of members don’t have the original at the top of their ranking of the franchise. There’s a lot more to be considered here.
I’ve been lurking for a while after announcing I was selling my collection, but I’d be happy to break my silence to interject on your, honestly, very reasonable question. What makes any film great? There are many conditions to consider for this, but I think I can reduce it to a few, and apply them to Halloween accordingly.
1. Cultural Influence & Accessibiility
Halloween became an > instant > hit. Within a few years of it’s release, it was already being referred to as John Carpenter’s “> classic> ”. To me, this means it had established a cultural fidelity in the American landscape, that allowed it to exist through it’s icons and references alone. The slasher genre was pioneered in the early 1970s by works that would later inspire Carpenter’s film. In fact, Carpenter allegedly saw Bob Clark’s > Black Christmas > (1974) (in my opinion, a better film with lesser cultural recognition) and said “I want to make this film set around a different holiday”. And he did just that — utilizing a lot of the approaches and techniques Clark had established in his film first (POV shots, heavy breathing, holiday theme, mystery, and stillness).
But despite Black Christmas creating these tropes that helped design what slasher films would be epitomized for in the decades proceeding, why is it not as successful of a film as Halloween? A monumental aspect of this are the holidays that the directors inevitably chose for their films. While Halloween incites an environment of nostalgic spookiness, creepiness, and fear that is predetermined to the holiday it references, fitting in line with the monster movies already celebrated in the holiday, Black Christmas was inherently an assault on traditional value. It is the antithesis of Christmas’ role in culture (this conceptual > transgression > is generally why I appreciate Clark’s film more than Carpenter’s in it’s boldness). However, returning to the concept of what is “classic”, I believe Halloween’s congruity with the holiday it’s titled after set itself up to be an immediate tradition (rather than a rejection in Clark’s case). It’s simply more accessible.
2. Icons
Halloween became memorable for it’s iconic semblance. The music, atmosphere, characters, and of course > THE MASK> , have become easily identifiable across the world. I believe what makes Carpenter’s film so strong is it’s light handed minimalism paired with it’s iconic visual dialogue. The white mask became something that viewers could play with their fear after the film. It adds to the post-viewing impact.
A lot of people will tell you it was successful for being “creepy and eerie”, but to signify Halloween for that, in a time where a plethora of slasher films were being made, is an oversimplification. Ultimately what differentiated Halloween was how memorable and famous it could become. It’s simplicity AND aesthetic is what drives the film. I think there are plenty of slasher films with more depth, character development, interesting and risky camera work, and stronger plot lines (Alice Sweet Alice, The Comeback, Savage Weekend…) but they are far less accessible and far less iconic — not to mention, often transgressive to expectations and values (religion, sexuality, gender, age…).
Halloween is plainly more relatable.
3. Star Factor
Aside from the fame the mask and iconship gave way to, we have to consider the star factor. Donald Pleasance was an already well established actor. However, Halloween birthed booming careers in the 80s for both John Carpenter and Jaimie Lee Curtis. This means that the film had continued to cultivate it’s place in the landscape for decades after it’s release.
In summary, it’s really left up to a simple question: what makes anything great? Whether you like a film or not is obviously subjective. However, what makes something “great” is historically in it’s impact. Greatness is really only in proximity to it’s time and it’s peers, and if you really feel like investigating this question further, I suggest watching more slasher movies from that decade, more of Carpenter’s work, and all kinds of different films from the 70s for perspective.
As someone who seeks to watch a ton of film from many perspectives, artists, and directors, I frankly don’t think Halloween is a very strong movie in it’s quality or technicality compared to some of Carpenter’s peers. I do think it may be overrated, meaning it is widely supported over some terrific films surrounding it. However, what I love about Halloween (and I do LOVE Halloween) is in it’s AESTHETIC MASTERY, and in it’s legendary status. It’s added to the American discourse of storytelling — Michael Myers: the suburban slasher who escaped a mental health facility, bearing a white mask and dirty coveralls, stalking baby sitters on Halloween night. It’s now a Halloween-time tradition. While it isn’t quite the best made film, it has earned it’s place as a classic, and I will continue to watch it every year - like Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny. Or rather Frankenstein and Dracula before it, continuing to expand, diverge, and re-define the success of the Halloween holiday, or Horror iconship.
And this is what happens when you voice your opinion on this site. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED, CAUSE IF YOU DO MOST OF THE WANT TO BE’S ON THIS SITE WILL MOCK YOU OR TALK S—. TO YOU.
Yeah, so far not many responses have been constructive. It’s kind of ironic a legitimate question is asked and yet most of the people who respond merely type insults or post memes, yet claim it’s the OP who is a troll.