Halloween 2018 mixed feelings

Okay, so to be clear I am very much looking forward to the new Halloween film coming out in a few months. Having said that, I have some mixed feelings in regards to the new film and the timeline.
I don’t think it’s any mystery that my favorite film of this franchise is H2 1981 (H2 is in my username). I understand the film has its flaws but honestly all the films including the original (and all films really) have their own flaws.
I am definitely disappointed that H2 is not included in this timeline. I do understand the reason it is excluded from this timeline (Michael-Laurie sibling relationship was introduced in the second film) but I don’t see the problem with this.
Everyone talks about how michael is the boogeyman and you can’t humanize him but people forget he killed his older sister Judith in 1963. He then walks outside and we see his parents. We see young Michael unmasked after committing his first brutal murder. He is a human. He murders his older sister and that’s okay, yet him going after his younger sister years later is completely taboo and makes him less scary?? I disagree.
H2 goes hand in hand with the original in my opinion. Doctor Loomis sacrificing himself at the end of the film and taking Michael and himself out was such a fitting end in my opinion.
Again, I am excited about the new film. I just don’t understand why these studios and filmmakers insist on changing the canon of this franchise time and time again.
In their defense, however, it would be weird to continue after part 2 like H4 did simply because at the end of H2 Michael is shot in both of his eyes and is seen burning on the ground after being blown up.
What are y’alls opinions on this? :slight_smile:

H2 is my favorite sequel, it’s a great movie. As far as the brother sister thing goes, personally I never was a fan of it. It’s just scarier when he’s not obsessed with tracking down family members. The easiest way to understand this is to put yourself in that situation for a moment. Imagine if this guy was on the loose, but was on a murder spree to kill his family, in that case you are completely safe, unless you happen to get in his way of course, but for the most part, you are totally safe from him. Now imagine the same scenario, only this time, he’s not going just after his family, he’s going around stalking random people for no reason, picking random targets to kill. In that case, you, and everyone else, no matter who they are, are in total danger. Not to mention, that was the original intent. Laurie was never supposed to be his sister, she was just a random victim like any other. As far as him killing his sister Judith, I believe that was because she was an easy target for him that night, and again, there was no reason for him to kill her, he just did, and that is terrifying.

You make some good points. I can see where you’re coming from :slight_smile:
However, at the start of H2 he does kill Alice (random murder since she was not in his way whatsoever). After that he heard that Laurie was taken to the hospital. Maybe he wasnt completely obsessed with killing her because she was his sister but because she escaped him from earlier that night. She was also injured which would make her an easy target. But yeah, I get where you’re coming from. It’s definitely fun discussing these things and hearing other perspectives.

Ha ha yeah man, that’s true :slight_smile: I like to think that’s why he’s still after in the new movie, because she’s the one that got away. It’s weird to say, but I know the feeling, playing the F13 game and dead by daylight, when you kill everyone, but that ONE survivor gets away… :laughing:

Haha we feel his pain when that survivor escapes :laughing:

Just have to say…so Nice reading a civil discussion here for a change. No one trying to force their opinions on each other or laughing at one another’s point of view. Class act guys. Wish there was more of that to go around :confused: Bravo fellas :drinkers: Good read!

Thank you, good sir. :drinkers:

I agree, thank you for the kind words buddy :slight_smile:

I like H2 because it still feels like “canon” no matter what but the way it ends makes it pretty hard to believe michael could have survived that. I feel H1-H2 are connected still even with the new film and i accept both timelines as “official”. But this was the only way to proceed with a new film, they had to get rid of all the plots from the sequels and start “fresh”. Also, as much as i love h2 i never really liked that sister angle. Its much creepier when the shape’s motives arent entirely explained, not everything in life comes with instructions or explanations, its nice to leave something to the imagination. Thats why i never liked all these prequels that hollywood made to leatherface, lecter, aliens, etc. Much like aliens its far creepier and mysterious when we dont know where the aliens came from or why they were made or engineered. The only backstory that has ever worked for a character in film is jason from friday the 13th but thats ok because it was there from the start.

Halloween II is my favorite slasher sequel of all time. I love the movie. I love the OST, the atmosphere, the kills, the characters are likable and interesting IMO. The finale is really great. All around, I think it’s a great movie.

But you know, it will always exist. Even with Halloween 2018 coming out, it’s story and all that came from it, will always exist.

They sent it to the delete bin, to deal away with the brother/sister thing like you said, and IMO, they took the right decision. It never felt right to me. Laurie goes to the Myers house to drop keys off at her dad’s behest. Somehow her real brother that hasn’t seen her in 15 years, is not only in the house, but he recognizes her. Where was Laurie in 1963? Babies cry a LOT, especially at that age. She certainly wasn’t in the Myers house. She wasn’t with the parents either…unless they left her in their car? Doesn’t make sense. I don’t buy it. Michael driving a car I can buy. Laurie being his sister going to the house at the exact moment he is there, and he recognizes her, I don’t buy. Never have and never will.

IMO I don’t feel you can really complain about them messing with the timelines because they skip H2! I mean they are ignoring a lot more than H2. If you would be fine with it, if it was a sequel to H2, think of the Halloween 4/5/6,etc fans you know? Like you can’t really say that you don’t like that the studio is messing with the timeline, only when they don’t acknowledge the movie you like most. I get it as a fan. It’s just not a good argument I feel.

H2 was a great finale to the story. And it still is. It always will be. H20 is a great finale too. A new split in the timeline is nothing new for Halloween. It’s a thing that happens haha. Often. I’m really excited about this new one, because it will cover grounds that I’ve never seen covered in the franchise.

Good points! And yeah, I do understand that it will always exist along with the new film.
I even pointed out some reasons for why they pretty much had to ignore it. It’s just fun to have a little discussion haha :wink:
By the way I also think H4 is a very good film as well! One of my favorites for sure!

I agree with you, at the end of the day they should have just left the sibling plot twist out of it. H2 still would have worked just fine since Michael heard where Laurie was taken to on the radio and his motive to continue to pursue her would have been the fact that she got away. And yeah, pretty hard to believe he could have survived the end of the film and would still have his sight haha

Thats it. For once a sequel feels “right” and seems to make sense the direction theyre going with it. All the other storylines from all the other sequels (except for h2 and more or less h20) never made much sense when you start thinkin about it too hard. Its becomes kinda cartoonish when you have the same guy coming back or escaping and never really dies. Kinda like the joker always escaping arkham asylum in the comics. The character starts becoming a parody, i mean i like the sequels for what they are and the different masks we got from them but after awhile michael stops being creepy and becomes a joke.

Thats why to me it also applies to friday the 13th. To me what i consider canon and feels like jason and his “story” is friday the 13th, part 2, part 3 and friday the 13th the final chapter. When he was still “human”. To me he really did die in the final chapter. I consider part 5 canon as well since jason is not in it (only in spirit) but still somewhat connected to the early sequels. All that came after that and the whole jason being a zombie to me just became silly. So for me its the same thing with michael. In the new film i feel for the first time in years michael is scary once again and someone to fear and take seriously.

I was never a fan of the brother/sister angle and ive always said its the one thing I’d change about h2, I think its far scarier that Laurie was just a random target. Having said that I still love h2 and its my 2nd favourite movie in the franchise. And the impression I get from the trailer for the new movie he isn’t really targeting Laurie, she’s targeting him.
Alot of people are against retcons but personally I love that with halloween you can basically choose your own adventure with several different timelines

What made Michael so terrifying in the original is that he was pure evil. He was referred to as the shape since his physical body was just a vessel for this evil. The fact that he murdered these babysitters for no other reason than for the fact that he wanted to was inherently scary. Once you try to explain his motives, give a back story and humanize him it takes the fear of the unknown away. He stops being the shape and just becomes Michael, the worlds worst older brother.

That made me laugh :laughing: