***Halloween Kills & Halloween Ends Discussion***

So lets talk about what this relic might be.

I believe that it could be a very old human skull.

On a side note, did anyone notice what appeared to be a skull colored in blue petina in one of the TV spots for KILLS? It appeared for about a second off to the right side during the scene with Michael and Karen in the upstairs bedroom in the Myers house. This could have been the Silver Shamrock skull mask that was spliced into that TV spot though. I think this may have been TV spot number 9 where we first saw a long distance shot of Loomis standing in front of the Myers house front door.

Anyway, the idea about the skull is that it belonged to one of Michael’s ancient ancestors, which was passed down like an heirloom from generation to generation, and finally to the present day.

Perhaps when Michael returned home in 1978, he actually looked for this skull, but could not find it.

Perhaps the identity of this skull was that of an ancient Druid preist who may have overseen multiple SAMHAIN fire rituals thousands of years ago.

The idea with the ancient Druid preist here is that he can infect a bloodline with either a death curse or provide a bloodline with eternal immortality.

Perhaps what is now known as the Myers family may have been direct decendants of this ancient Druid preist.

Michael Myers could be a manifestation of both a curse of death as well as a curse of life.

In order for this curse to continue, it must remain in the possesion of the current generation.

I think the whole curse and druids thing is too much. It ruins the character for me. He’s the shape. That’s all you gotta know.

I’ve always thought MM was wearing kevlar under every stitch of his clothing, including the mask, with a bunch of squibs underneath just to fool us. Anyone else?

I think the entire idea of relics, cults and the like is not the direction they want to take this at all because it’s already been done with each sequel being more preposterous than the one before.

I think Michael wanting to return home is the M.O that many serial killers like to return to the scene of their murders. He got his first kill in that house, and more specifically, his sisters room. The same way Dr. Sartain wanted to discover what that feeling of killing must be like, its likely that while Michael doesn’t exhibit any emotion, conscience or reason, he has a wicked attachment to his house. I wouldn’t say he necessarily draws power from it, but he definitely gets something from it. Maybe an ‘evil peace’ if there is such a thing. He definitely likes staring out of windows, though. He was basically doing that after the hearing Loomis had with the clinicians at Smith’s Grove when he told Michael that he fooled everyone, but not him.

I think in Halloween Ends, we’ll see that the Myers house has been torn down or burned by the townspeople because they feel it’s cursed after having already been basically condemned and having 6 murders take place in it, 7 if you count Deputy McCabe.


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Who are the 7 people that’s died in the Myers house? I can only think of 6. Who I’m I missing?

  1. Judith
  2. Lonnie
  3. Cameron
  4. Big John
  5. Little John
  6. Officer “don’t know his name”
  7. ???

A couple dogs lol


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Karen?

Yes, I couldn’t think who it was :joy:

Whoo Yeah! (Spoken in Peggy Hill’s voice)

Exactly. No one could survive the things Michael has. Even in H1. There isn’t a man on earth that could take six .357 magnum rounds to the chest from 5 feet away, fall off a balcony, and survive, let alone get up and walk away like nothing happened. It’s not gonna happen.

One of my buddies says that Michael is just a normal man no different than the Scream killers, with just a really high pain tolerance. What an idiot thing to say. Really high pain tolerance or not, it’s not going to stop your body from having a physiological reaction, going into shock, and dying. Michael has none of that. He takes tremendous fatal damage and continues on like nothing happened. Not because of a lack of pain, but because of the evil within him. A supernatural force. Unknowable and unexplainable. (Except for the explanation given in H6, which I don’t mind, but it wasn’t fleshed out very well).

Michael may not be on Jason’s level, but he’s well on his way.

I agree completely with this assessment. For all the flack H5 gets, at least it made the choice to move forward and try to advance the concept and script. You may not like the choices it makes, but at least it goes out on that limb to try it. The Blumhouse efforts are some of the laziest fan service films ever made (in ANY genre). They’re so painfully self aware, its hard to watch them. Its like they took all the plot points from the sequels (that were supposed to be “erased”) and threw them into a blender to retell the same damn story. I guess they thought no one would notice?

And all the characters in Haddonfield have these ridiculous monologues that come from nowhere. Nothing feels authentic even within the parameters they have set for the story. In 2018, Haddonfield is depicted as a new generation that has little to no awareness of Myers. But in Kills they are suddenly triggered to mob violence for having lived under the fear of him? WHAT?! And the level of stupid reaches new heights for this franchise (which is saying something). The local news is flashing pics of the two asylum inmates still uncaptured, then talks about what happen in 1978, but NEVER pieces together that one of the inmates is that killer? WHAT?! Yet somehow the town folk can piece that together, but go after the Danny Devito look alike? WHAT?! It’s just… painfully dumb.

And we can throw in all the clichés about horror films and where expectations should sit when we watch these films. But these movies make even those tempered expectations a challenge to accept. And the HK cops EASILY surpass those in H5. You’re going to tell me that a cop with a loaded pistol would rather stand back at long range and try to hit Myers head while he’s strangling his partner, when all he has to do is walk up and press it against his temple and blow his brains out? WHAT!!! Now there’s a scene that needed clown music in it. So even where the esthetics look great, those moments are ruined with these complete lapses in universal, common sense, choices. Love the mask and the general look of the cinematography but all the characters are just so idiotic and so unlikable (except Lindsey) that I don’t really care what happens in Ends… except that it ends.

Agree with the both of you. Point for point. And really I’m dismayed at the tons and tons of idiots who can’t see this and praise these piece of shit movies. Anyone having half a brain should realize the points you mention and notice that none of the story, characters and details make any sense in any shape or form. And yeah, all those speeches. And evil dies tonight blablabla and Michael having tormented for Haddonefield for 40 years!? LOL. Except 2 nights, he was locked up since '63. How can he torment anything? Many don’t even know anymore who he is.

Exactly. The deputy who shot his partner also managed to not hit Michael, even though there was no way that a trained cop would miss so many times. So really, that always was my explanation. Loomis is a bad shot and missed half the time and Michael is so fucked up/determined that he would manage to supress any pain. I never took that supernatural talk seriously.

Because nothing in this fucking movie makes any sense at all. That was just bizarre, but in line with the shoddy writing DGG and co. apply for both H18 and Kills.

Hawkins is probably the worst shot in all the Halloween films. He also missed Michael in Halloween 2018.


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Thanks for writing. I fullheartedly agree and really was losing hope with all the praising voices on Instagram… well, not all, some didn’t have the wool pulled over their eyes, but they are clearly a minority.

Yeah. That. Based on what I’ve seen so far, I doubt that DGG and cohort is that intelligent to pull off something like this.

Agreed. To me that makes it way more scary than someone who’s always been weird.

After seeing it a second time on the big screen, I can say that it is a far better experience, though I still am not a fan of the monologue when Michael is slaughtering the mob and they keep cutting away from it

For sure. It’s pathetic, really.