Here's what's up with the IMAGE...

Someone posted way back that it seemed ‘strange’ that I hadn’t posted or chimed in yet. It was very simple. I didn’t feel that I had to. Everything that I read in the first few pages was fine. People were just giving their opinions. No need for me to chime in. I’m only now jumping on here because, as usually happens, the rumour mill has begun, so I’ll clear up some of the crap, and be off.

Firstly, the economy is in the crapper right now. There are a lot of people selling their masks. Some guys are selling their whole collections. I know of a couple of guys that are selling their IMAGE masks, along with some of their other prized pieces because times are tough right now. A good buddy of mine has bought and sold 2 IMAGE masks, bought a DW/KH, and is now selling that, which is his right. Mabye he doesn’t like the way they look. Mabye he can use the extra $$$ at this time. Christmas also just came and went. Lots of bills to pay.

Secondly, like with any mask or piece out there, some people may decide that the mask isn’t what they thought it would be. Some people weren’t ‘blown away’ by it. That’s totally fine. As someone stated, ‘beauty is in the eye of the beholder’. What I think looks great, someone else may think look likes sh*t. Everyone see’s things differently. It’s been happening forever. I myself have purchased a few things over the years that I thought looked great, yet upon receiving them in person, have had a different opinion, so I sold those pieces. No big deal.

My main reason for jumping in on the fun was the fact that somewhere along the way, it was implied that ‘perhaps beacuse the masks were’nt numbered, there could be more than 20 out there’. Well, let me clear this up right away. And you doubters out there can take this ‘with a grain of salt’. I could care less. Those who know me know that I’m not into the ‘scamming’ gig that many guys out there have become famous for. That’s one of the many reasons why I don’t hide behind a ‘screen name’. The reason that the masks were not signed boils down to a ‘goof up’. At the time I delivered the masks to Dick’s home, Halloween was a few weeks away. Dick was still getting the DVD’s and Rare pics together for the ‘package’. I still had to write my ‘blurb’ that came with everything. On top of all this, Dick was also prepping for knee surgery, which at the time, was to take place right after Halloween. So to say the least, things were slightly hectic. We of course, wanted these to be released before Halloween, so that when they were announced, everything would be put together and boxed up, and ready to ship with NO WAIT TIME, which is what we accomplished. For those that purchased the ‘package’, it DID come with the 8"x10" Rare pic of DW in the Original H2 gettup. Frame it and display it with the mask. It is after all, part of the ‘package’. Should the actual mask’s themselves have been signed? Damn right. But unfortunately, things were beyond crazy at this point, and it was missed. To now start to imply that mabye there are ‘more than 20’ out there because the masks aren’t numbered is actually humorous. Rest assured, the molds were destroyed once the 22nd mask was finished. I have my personal copy, Dick has his, along with the 2 that are still for sale, and the other 18 have been sold. I had NO problem destroying the molds once I was finished. I’m moving on to different projects, and have had more than my fill of the Myers scene. The market is so over-saturated with H1 and H2 masks right now (nevermind the versions from the other sequels), that I believe that there are now more than enough different versions of either the H1 or H2 mask to fill anyone’s need for the ‘perfect’ Myers replica (in their eyes).

As far as the ‘finishing’ goes, I’ll say what I said a looooong time ago. Having discussed the Hero mask with Dick over the past 10+ years, along with having seen it in person at his home 10 years ago, and talking with Tommy Lee Wallace about the overall ‘look’, I’m more than happy with the results, and more importantly, so are they. To me, that’s ALL that matters. They are the 2 guys that know the mask the best. I readily took all of their advice on how it should look and be painted and haired. Both Dick and Tommy said to me; “Andrew, keep it subtle. Don’t weather the hell out of it”. Dick was very specific on how the KH SLE should be altered to look more like the mask did in 1981. I worked and re-worked quite a few areas, until he was satisfied. I’ll always remember what TLW said to me back in March of 2011: “Andrew, I saw the mask during H2 and after, and I can tell you right now, it wasn’t nearly as weathered as some of these H2 masks are that I see at conventions. Most of the ones I see look like they’ve been dragged around the inside of a chimney. Others look too ‘pretty’, like a painting. Every bit of weathering is strategically placed. Cundy made it look like there could of been 10 different masks used in both H1 and H2. Lighting is everything. How it’s worn and who wears it is another. Weather it up, but concentrate on the lips, nose and a bit of the forehead. The rest of it was scuffed up, but not heavily weathered. If you want it to look like it did in '81 do it like that. Dick will tell you the same. People read so much into it. At the end of the day, the mask, having aged 3 years, was a ‘creamy yellow’ color with some subtle weathering, and the hair had matted right down”. That’s pretty much it.

To sum up; for those that purchased an IMAGE mask, I hope you’re happy with it. When it came down to getting advice and constructive criticism while working on this project, I had the 2 best guys you can imagine. And for those NOT interested at all in the piece, there a MANY more to choose from, and I’m sure that the choices will only increase over time.

-A

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thank you for posting this andrew, i am one of the people who loves your mask and said so to you awhile back. in fact i just bought my 3rd copy yesterday. i am however selling just 1 of the copies because the person i bought it from cut the neck slit up higher then it was supposed to be. i then pm you on the best way to fix it back up. the other 2 copies are not going anywhere…so again i say you did a phenominal job ! and thank you for stating the facts about the 20 copies!

Well said Andrew! Who better to guide you that those two guys! Lighting is EVERYTHING. I learned that a long time ago. Everything you said makes sense, and we thank you for this post.

Well Said yes! It is really a shame to see the mask get bought over and over. :neutral_face:

i was waiting for this Andrew and you put all rumors to rest as far as i am concerned. i love my Image mask and i have no intention of selling it. there are 22 masks and i believe that to be the truth without question. sometimes, this community, for some reason, questions even the most trust worthy of people (DW/AS). probably because there are so many shifty situations going on all the time everyone is gun shy. everything about the Image ALL went off so smooth it is amazing to me that you even have to defend yourself. i am glad you posted this thread, even though it was, IMO, extremely unwarranted.

mike

Ok, so you admited that they should have been numbered but were rushed? how long does it honestly take? now that all the rushing has passed I think you guys should talk it over and possiable getting them all back and number them. Thats all we ask.

This is TLW’s opinion, correct? I wasn’t aware he paid that close attention to the H2 mask. Generally, he’s only concerned with ‘poofing’ up the hair on H1 masks.

But I assume you agree with him seeing as how you’ve taken his ‘advice’. If so, I’d like to hear more of your thoughts on the subject rather than TLW’s. (As to how “most other masks” look)

Very well said Andrew. I will take that beautiful piece of advice from Tommy when it comes to the new mask as well. Great job to you & Dick for a great piece.

the image is a very nice mask ive owned 2 and getting my third on friday andrew did a good job ive owned 8 of the original khs and the image does have the kh feel for everyone that owns 1 enjoy and thanks to andrew for the pleasure to own this nice piece
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**Andrew,that was put perfectly.

I have said over and over again that this is easily the most authentic paint-up on a mask ever,in my opinion.This is exactly what the mask must have looked like following the filming of H1 and right before H2…I truly 100% believe that.I would NEVER alter this mask.I believe the finishing is perfection.I was so thrilled to be able to put this mask in my Halloween II case,filling the void where my KH/DW used to be.You know what?It fills that void perfectly!!

I could not be happier with the overall look of this mask.Without a doubt a ton of work went into it and it shows.The critics will always be out and I could care less what anyone else thinks at the end of the day.I love my Image mask and will NOT be selling any time in the near future.I am in the middle of very hard economic times right now and I still would never sell it.I am proud to own it and I love it.

As far as the numbering,like I said in the original thread,I was definitely bummed about it.That did not change how I felt about the mask overall.Not the end of the world.It was very honest of you to say flat-out that you agree they should have been numbered.I personally would never believe that you are selling copies behind the scenes.You are a straight-shooting guy and I appreciate the work you put into this project.**

P.S.-By far the best customer service ever on this deal.I had my package in the blink of an eye,with plenty of time to spare before Halloween :wink:

My only thing is there are shots of the h2 mask in direct light (think the coke can pic) and you can’t tell me that is shadows. It actually does look like it was drug through a chimney. So I’m not sure why you wouldn’t want to paint the mask to look accurate? I mean honestly, take JC’s paint for example… I don’t think anyone could look at the paint on the image and prefer that to the paint on one of his h2 masks. Look at the early run KH/DW masks, dirty as hell as well, and much more accurate than the later ones.

So please, stop with that bs about all the “weathering” was shadow, it simply wasn’t.

As far as anyone calling Andrew out, he’s a great guy and has never done anyone wrong here. I’ll take him and DICK FREAKING WARLOCK’s word any day.

I agree with you on the weathering to a degree.Lighting definitely enhances the weathering for sure.Perfect examples can be seen in my original photos of the mask when I received it.The image has subtle weathering but it is all there.If you take a few minutes to look through this link below,you will see many looks of the mask.When I used darker lighting it looked WAY dirtier and the weathering popped.When compared to the pics of when I first took it out of the box,you can see a huge difference.For those who look,pardon my amateur photography skills.

https://forum.michael-myers.net/t/dw-as-the-image-arrives-more-pics-pg-4/43695/1

CBK:
“So please, stop with that bs about all the “weathering” was shadow, it simply wasn’t”.

Hold up. When did I EVER say that all the weathering was shadow? I think you need to re-read what I wrote about the weathering, and what TLW, and Dick, for that matter, told me. NEVER said it was all shadow.
Anyway, I think that I explained everything in the novel that I wrote, so I’m done.
I’ve more than addressed the issues that were brought up. There is no conspiracy here. :unamused:
Take care.

-A

I’m going to try and explain this as best I can, as an amateur photographer. The way the mask looks does depend on the lighting. Now, I’m not saying either of you, Chad and Andrew, are right or wrong. But this is what I’ve recently found to be true. When the mask is lit more closely and directly, you will get heavy shadows, but the weathering and detail can/will get washed out. Now, on the opposite end, when the light is more indirect and farther away, the mask will not be as exaggerated, but the weathering will show a lot more. As far as the Coke can picture goes, that light seems to be indirect. Possibly coming from a light from the building, maybe 10-20 ft. away. Like I said, I don’t look to prove either of you wrong or right here, but me personally, I like a very weathered H2. It’s easier to see the grime and grit that way.

Here’s a visual for everyone:


Indirect light (light source further away from the mask)





Direct light (light source closer to the mask)

Great example,Matt.Thanks for posting that.

I’m still curious as to how you feel on this subject, Andrew.

Guys, Andrew put out a nice product, and I think the Image is a sweet mask. Lets not argue about what anyone said as to the weathering. At the end of the day, its what YOU like, and if you bought the mask and are happy, cool! We all know when it comes to 30 year old memories, things can get misconstrued, but there is one fact that remains. Dick owned the hero for years, and I don’t think his assessment would be wrong. He had the scalpel, coveralls and the Elrod knife as well.

As some of you guys mentioned and I agree 100% that ligthing IS everything.
These IMAGE mask goes from clean to heavily weathered depending on the lighting and not too many mask that I know of has this potential. Andrew’s finishing on these IMAGE is MAGIC :smiley:

I thought my copy was clean until I shot this crappy video and while I was recording I do remember thinking …wait a minute what is going on here?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEQuIO6-vQU