Newer Halloween films and reinterpretations kinda killed the iconicity of H1?

Just want to share this with you, since I’m cosplaying a lot this year I’ve noticed that as a result of H20, RZ films, H40, various spin offs, reinterpretations, workarts etc people have kind of forgetten the look of the original Michael Myers from 1978 here, let alone new generations, nowdays most kids get to know the character by playing DBD or Terrordrome, where masks have really nothing to do with the original, so to them it’s not H1 the real MM look, and this is pretty sad, I met people saying that their vision and idea of MM is the RZ mask, or 2018 since it’s the most recent film, hence plenty of people don’t really recognize 78 Myers as the original and the only real Michael Myers like most of us do. What do you guys think? is that happening to you also in the US?

First off it definitely didn’t kill it in my eyes. My definitive look for Myers is the original look. Sure I like all the different looks and cosplay as the various Myers, but nothing tops the original look for me. I don’t think it killed the original iconic look of Myers at all man.

However what has happened is we are all getting older. I’m 38, and H2 was the first Halloween movie I saw. It was USA Up All Night, a late show that aired horror movies and other off the wall films. It wasn’t long after that I saw H1, and both of those films are the definitive image of Myers for me.

But as we get older, and younger generations found the franchise, they develop their own definitive Myers. Maybe they saw H4 first, and that’s their Myers. Or H6, or RZ, that becomes their Myers. In the case of 2018 Myers, I just think some feel it’s the definitive look simply because it’s supposed to be the original look, aged. So they view it as such, since it’s supposed to be that original idea of Myers.

Even with all of that, I think most of those people know and respect where it all started. If it wasn’t for that first iconic image of Myers, then what followed wouldn’t have anything to base their looks off of.

I think we are just getting older, that’s really what’s happening, unfortunately lol.

sure it didn’t kill it for us, in fact I was referring to new generations and the newer mass, the image of H1 is fading away as nowdays it’s much easier to see the H40 mask on the internet if you’re just an horror movies fan and not a mask nerd like us, even if you look up Michael Myers on wikipedia, the photo you see is H40 and not H1anymore, same thing with RZ, many people have seen the remake in late 2000s as their first Halloween movie ever, and that’s the idea they have of Myers stuck in their mind, let alone kids who never even saw the original H1 or H2 and only saw Michael in DBD
or Terrordrome as I’ve mentioned before, nowdays the general idea of Michael Myers is the one of an extremely tall man (taken from RZ version) with a very ruined white mask, but basically they’ll recognize the character as soon as they see even the crappiest white mask in a boiler suit, cause most of them didn’t really pay much attention to the many masks he’s gone through the years, so they’re completely unable to tell which mask it is and what chapter it comes from, so even the ones who’ve seen the original movies various times, they’ve forgotten the original look since medias keep showing H40s, DBD and possibly RZ also as it’s still a relatively recent film.
Yes you’re surely right when you say we’re getting old, I’ll be soon 41, I’m as old as the movie, born in 78 and watched the original movie for the first time in early 90s when I was like 14, yeah perhaps we should accept the evolution of the character, but personally I think no modern reinterpretation ever matched Nick Castle, personally from H4 to nowdays it’s gone through an involution if you ask me.

Your definitely right about everything you said. I just wouldn’t say it’s being killed, so much as just being lost in translation. There isn’t a whole lot we can do about it unfortunately, we just have to keep turning on folks to what that original interpretation was and meant to the character. Even then they will still roll with what they like the best.

One good thing is that the original film still plays in theaters here every Halloween season. So that definitely helps keep the original alive and well here.

I will tell you what drives me nuts over here though, is the fact that every Halloween when I’m roaming around as Myers, sure enough a handful of people come by and say, “hey there’s JASON!!!”…sigh :unamused: :laughing:

That’s funny to hear that this shit happens in the States also which is the homeland of the character, I’m not in the US and this happens to me very very often, but rejoice, Ghostface cosplayers have an even worse issue, people scream “Scary Movie” as soon as they’re approached :laughing: :laughing:

I’m a little later to the fandom than a lot of people here. I was familiar with Michael Myers and had seen pieces of all the films here and there growing up, but I didn’t experience Halloween uncut and uncensored until about 18 years ago. I was twenty-five and my love of horror films was expanding beyond my interest in the Universal Monsters and supernatural horror. Watching HalloweeN was a revelation. I consider it a perfect masterpiece, including the ending that was designed not to continue the story but rather, to illustrate that evil never dies and evil is right where you live. A lot of people seem to think The Shape is motivated by some kind of bizarre scrupulosity, murdering people who have sex and party. The truth is, Carpenter intended Myers to be the pure and unfathomable evil that can exist even in places we’d never expect, like a six-year old boy and a small-town neighborhood. In one of the many docs on the film I’ve seen over the years, Carpenter talks about how The Shape was directly inspired by what he felt when he learned that true evil existed in his home town of Bowling Green, KY. He talks about people who pretended to be loving and accepting and friendly who were racists and bigots. That’s why Michael Myers has no real face, just a mask he puts on to cover the blackness of the evil inside.

I’ve seen every sequel in their entirety except for parts 5 and 6. I’m familiar with the Thorn concept and feel that trying to explain why Myers is the way he is fails the original film’s concept and story. The same goes for the sibling connection. I fail to understand how people like that angle or the sequels, as they watered down and ultimately ruined the perfect story in Carpenter’s original films. None of them are particularly well-made, with the exception of H20 and H18. I don’t think any of them justify their existence or that the original film needs a sequel. The only sequel that could have worked would have been Carpenter’s idea to use his TV movie premise “Someone’s Watching Me” as the basis for Laurie encountering The Shape again. Beyond that, I think the film should be left alone. That’s just me, of course, but I agree with the idea that the diminishing quality of the sequels, including H18 (which is well-made production-wise if not from a writing and characterization perspective) has sadly negated the impact of HalloweeN. I’ve told a number of people over the years who have never seen any of the movies that they should only watch the original and keep it at that. I always have it playing on a TV during our annual Halloween party and I’m always amazed that it stops people in their tracks even after seeing it many times over, unlike the other films I have playing on additional TVs. That’s the sign of a masterpiece of filmmaking that none of the other films come close to achieving.

Having too much of anything can dampen its’ effect, you’re too familiar with it. In this case the too much is a bunch of re-interpretations along with the original.

To me, it’s always a man with a white mask and coveralls in every movie. OK, the type of the mask varies, but from general perspective it’s the same look in every movie except maybe RZH 2, which I don’t really mind.

From my experience in Tx, no matter what Myers mask I wear, I still get scarred kids and adults etc wanting pictures. I doubt they think, “ he wearing a Nightowl “, “ that’s a Nag 75k”, or “ that’s a H1 looks”. It’s just hey there’s Michael Myers, or the occasional “nice Jason mask”.

I love the character of Michael Myers, so don’t get me wrong, but the fact is that he doesn’t really change his appearance. Casual viewer wouldn’t even note.

The look and iconicity of H1 got lost in time among the mass, as Lawson Graves mentioned before, that’s probably a better term than saying “killed it”, yes absolutely casual viewers don’t have an idea what movie you’re trying to recreate, problem I’ve noticed is that if you’re cosplaying with an H1 costume some of these casual viewers or newer generations don’t recognize your costume as “accurate”, simply because they have one of the latest movies in mind, and never watched the original again, or never watched the original at all, or only played DBD as Michael Myers, and to me it’s a blasphemy lol, it’s already happened a couple of times that I had to explain that it’s the vision they have in mind which is inaccurate, cause when I ask what Halloween movies they’ve seen they all answer RZ or 2018 or DBD, some others watched the original many years ago but don’t remember the look of the mask, cause modern media keeps showing a modern version of Michael which has little to nothing to do with the interpretation of Nick Castle, that’s the only drawback, along with those who still call you Jason :slight_smile:. Basically if you’re wearing a NAG and are hanging out with someone who’s wearing a TOTS Hospital MAsk, the DBD fan will like the one with the Hospital mask better, and believe that’s more accurate than your NAG, that’s what I’m trying to point out.

When I went to my last con as 78 Myers and my daughter was 63 Myers , many people took pics but a lot didn’t realize she was supposed to be young Myers. They just thought let’s take a pic with Michael and this killer clown

Haha…USA up all Night, loved it! Especially with Rhonda Sheer😃