I’m neither screaming nor am I dismissing any writings via my opinion, I refuted every single argument with facts.
Refuting the idea of the sibling storyline with the fact that it is the default Michael Myers storyline in pop culture, isn’t about what I like or using my opinion, that’s a concrete fact no matter who likes or dislikes that storyline.
Ralph_E_Fresh from OHMB, and no I didn’t troll, I came here to be civil and debate topics, you come here to insult me and have still not offered anything of substance in regard to this topic, other than your insults towards me and expressing your dislike of the facts.
It’s a bit of a strawman argument to say that just because mainstream audiences went along with the directional shift in story back in the 80s it somehow equates to it being objectively better and more effective narratively, weather it’s more effective or not is entirely subjective
That’s not subjective, LIKING it or not is subjective. whether anyone is a fan of the storyline or not, it Objectively was effective, so unbeliebavle effective that it became the default narrative of the ORIGINAL movie, mainstream pop culture sees Myers and Strode as siblings EVEN without having seen any of the sequels.
(though you can make a better argument the unknown is more psychologically threatening).
That deals with a how and not why. WHY Michael is targeting Laurie isn’t an unknown, it’s clear he wants to kill her.
It’s a very minor plot change at the end of the day so it being accepted is insignificant compared to actual pop culture influence. you are really inflating it to support your preference.
It’s not minor nor am I inflating it, mainstream pop culture sees Michael Myers and Laurie Strode as brother and sister as default for the original movie, even without seeing the sequels this is the accepted plot. so much so they had to force character exposition of the retcon in the 2018 film to absurd levels, as mainstream audiences and pop culture have them as siblings.
but by default that kind of change contradicts the creative choices carpenter made for Michaels character in the original where the shape isn’t supposed to understood.
Carpenter’s intent is irrelevant to whether it was successful or not, he may have not liked the storyline, in fact he hated it, and that’s too bad, whether he liked it or not, it was successful and perhaps the most important plot he wrote in the series, to where mainstream pop culture has Myers and Strode as siblings by default EVEN without seeing
That’s the foundation of what made his character, and honestly I think most Halloween fans agree and understand that now and isn’t so much a niche anymore, which is arguably a reason for why the 2018 film went back to the original approach.
This is factually false, mainstream pop culture sees them as siblings, even the retcon and character exposition of the 2018 didn’t change that. only a niche online argued against it, evident by mainstream pop culture seeing them as siblings even without watching sequels.
It’s Joe Grizzly guys… No doubt about it. There couldn’t possibly be another one out there just like him lmao. Good Lord…
I am Ralph_E_Fresh from OHMB, that site closed down. I don’t know any Joe(though that username does sound familiar if he was on OHMB), but here’s my instagram in case you want to follow me or know who I am.
https://www.instagram.com/ralph_e007
This is what happens when fanboys take the word of the director, literally. Just because JC changed his mind years later and slated the idea of H2, doesn’t mean at the time his opinion wasn’t different. It’s with this shift, that fanboys also shift with it. I bet if JC never said that, and praised H2, all fans would likely do the same.
Make up your own minds.
In my opinion H2 is a good film, far better than Halloween 2018, for the mere fact that 2018 retcons H1’s ending; he got locked up and is only a human, but got shot 6 times and they didn’t even explain it? He waited for 40 years… why, did he lose his mojo or something? Why did Sartain have to let him out, was he not capable of getting out himself this time. It’s too orchestrated. Too scripted.
At least the H2 revelation added depth and honoured H1.
But if you want my honest opinion, nothing is canon after H1 anyway. I like to think Myers is still out there, he became the night, he became Halloween, literally. What’s more scary than this guy just getting up after 6 shots, and vanishing… who knows, maybe he’ll come back someday, when they do a proper sequel/reboot, where The Shape just shows up again at random. Age doesn’t matter now, it was confirmed at the end of H1, what he really was, Loomis was not insane. The movie asked those questions throughout, and when it ended, it seemingly confirmed that Loomis was telling the truth.
All these modern movies are about gore and what is so different between 2018 Myers and RZ’s Myers from 2007/2009? Not much, both are brutes, both rely on gore. Maybe one day the filmmakers will bring back the OG stalker Myers. But I won’t hold my breath.
Great write up.
For years Carpenter shat on Halloween II, and his fans went along with it, despite never even thinking about that prior. they went overboard with it and claimed it was the reason for the franchise getting screwed(That’s actually Halloween 4) and now we have Halloween 2018 and Halloween kills because of the clueless producers, writers and director listening to them.
I remember arguing with someone on the old OHMB, and they were trying to argue that Michael Myers ran in Halloween 1 or that he became a family killer in Halloween II despite clearly not targeting his family and only his sister while randomly murdering others.
Carpenter isn’t perfect, he’s wrong about a bunch of stuff, especially Halloween II which plot became more iconic than the original, to the point where mainstream pop culture sees Myers and Strode as siblings in the ORIGINAL film even without ever watching sequels.