The Project/MaskFest

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Thanks for your support, guys! I sure will keep y’all posted! :supz:

50-oNe-50, THANK YOU for getting my point! That’s exactly why I wanted to do this. Some people just don’t seem to get it or just don’t care about the significance of it. But I’m not taking it personal because you have to expect some people to be that way. I’m not doing this for them, I’m doing this for myself and also to the others who anticipates it. Yes, it may go bad but I will still be happy with it because it will be converted by the same man who converted the Hero. He told me himself that the mask used mostly in the movie was his last try ever (even to this date) and they chose to use this mask because it looked more professionally done. These “stunt” masks Don Post Studios made for Halloween II in 1981 from the '75 Kirk mold didn’t look anything like the Hero, all 3 DPS “stunt” masks had horrible eye cuts (huge and not smooth) but these masks can easily fetch over $2,000 each just because they were from the '75 Kirk mold and them being “stunt” masks. It’s the significance that can really bring up the value of the masks not just the “screen-accurate” look. It’s beyond me that there are still some out there that still believes that DPS actually converted the Hero. I’m just going with what Tommy told me himself, he said DPS didn’t want anything to do with the movie except sell them the “standard Captain Kirk” masks. DPS probably wish that they agreed to modify a '75 Kirk mask for the movie back in the spring of ‘78. I still laugh when some people said that the eye cuts were too precise to be done by Tommy himself, I mean haven’t they seen DPS’ eye cuts job on the “stunt” masks? But it’s whatever, I have to respect their beliefs. Billy Kirkus said Don Post, Jr. himself claims that they converted the mask and it would be very interesting to get TLW and DP, Jr. to sit right next to each other and ask them THE question to see what they will say. :mrgreen:

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The history piece concept is a fantastic one. I would love to have TLW convert one just for that reason. You should get DP Jr. to convert one as well. I think the hero/who converted it mystery is the same as the EK/LJ clown masks. We will never know the real truth and can speculate until we are blue in the face. I just hope that TLW actually does the mask for you and not Sean Clark since you are paying for TLW. With the time schedules and such and SC having converted masks more recently than TLW, don’t be surprised if he asks for opinions or help from Clark. Just saying but very cool concept and definitely a home run idea.

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Yes, there are 2 teams out there (TLW’s team and DP, Jr.'s team) and I just want all of us to come to a conclusion 1 day and become 1 team. I’m obviously on TLW’s team because he directly told me and I listened to his story firsthand but I haven’t listened to DP, Jr.'s story firsthand, just secondhand through Billy Kirkus but I do believe BK that DP, Jr. actually said that. I only seen DP, Jr. once at MaskFest and I never talked to him but Billy is friends with him and has more access to him. That’s why I would like to see them get together and see if they will oppose each other. As for Sean Clark, I will be honest, I’m little bit nervous about him being involved in the project because I have heard stories about him but I can’t take it as true because I don’t know 100% sure. I’m not worried about him doing the mask up instead of TLW because it will be all on the film so there will be a proof. Yes, Sean Clark will probably provide the equipments for the conversion but I’m sure TLW will instruct him on what to get. I honestly think SC will just be a host of the conversion show. We will see when the film turns up. Thanks for liking the idea.

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With my name being tossed around I thought I’d interject.

Robert Short, Bill Malone and Don Post, Jr. all remember 2 or 3 crew members from Halloween coming in to the studio; getting a Kirk mask done to their specifications, paying and leaving the studio. Bill Malone states that John Carpenter was one of the people that came to the studio; Don Post has stated that he would have to check his records but that was 30 plus years ago.

Below is a 2004 interview done by Eric Austin from the HMA and Bill Malone.

H.M.A. – Was the Kirk a popular mask for D.P., and do you recall how many years it was produced, as well as how many?

Bill Malone: As I said, it really wasn’t a big seller. I think we produced maybe 350 a year, for a couple of years. Then it dwindled off ’til we discontinued it.

H.M.A. – So in 1978, a young film director named John Carpenter decided to use your Captain Kirk mask for the baby sitter killer Michael Myers in his first horror movie Halloween. There are so many stories revolving around how the famous Myers mask came to be. The most popular story is that the film’s production designer Tommy Wallace, purchased a Kirk mask at a Hollywood costume shop, widened the eyes, stripped the side burns, messed up the hair, and painted it white. Thus, Michael Myers was born! So, with that story fans are led to believe that only one mask was used in the filming of Halloween, and Don Post didn’t have much involvement with it. How do you recall the events surrounding the Captain Kirk mask used in Halloween? Did you or anyone else at D.P. have any direct involvement with the mask?

Bill Malone: I can’t really say if Tommy Wallace bought one in Hollywood or not. However, I do remember very vividly that John Carpenter did come in with a girl and another guy and ask us to make a very different Captain Kirk mask. What he actually asked for, was us to paint one white (with Rubber Cement paint) and spray paint the hair black. If you look at the first film (in the early scenes you’ll see this is actually how it is. Later, during filming, it gets quite thrashed looking and more of the brown hair shows through. At the time, I knew who John Carpenter was from Dark Star and I thought whatever he’s up to I want one for my own collection. I had the paint department make two. One for the film and one for myself. I had the sister mask for years until Don Jr. asked to borrow it. It apparently disappeared after that. I never got it back.

Was the mask purchased from Don Post Studios used? Yes. Was it the “Hero?” You’re guess is as good as mine but I do know that there is a mask worn with black hair; it’s the scene when Micheal pulls up to the Doyle house, gets out of the car and walks up behind a tree and watches Annie walk up the meet the Wallaces’. I personally believe that is the DPS mask.

Now, for the Halloween II mask that I used to own; knowing now what I know exactly about the mask I purchased and the complete history of it and whom I bought it from; it is NOT a back-up mask from Halloween II. None of the Halloween II masks made from Don Post Studios survived the filming from the movie.

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Oh, and I’ll add…

I asked Don Post, Jr. this question back in 3/13/2008 and this is his response to the whole “Halloween” mask story. This story has been posted in countess threads so many senior members have already read this. Below is Don Post, Jr’s response.

Two people from the “Halloween” production team came to Don Post Studios in 1978; they wanted two Kirk masks cast in white with black hair. It was the busy Halloween manufacturing season and we did not have the time to custom make masks. We had a few Kirk masks available; I had someone, I can’t remember who (may have been Bill Malone or Bob Short but could have been someone else) paint over the Kirk mask white (side burns removed) and paint the hair black. After these folks left Bill Malone had another Kirk mask painted and he kept it.

The “Halloween” people said they were originally looking at a Don Post Emmett Kelly Clown mask for the role of Michael. I understand the production staff had purchased a Kelly mask along with several Kirks from Hollywood Magic (6660 Hollywood Blvd). They claim they painted those masks from Hollywood Magic to depict “The Shape” from the Movie Halloween. I suspect they did repaint whatever masks they used in the movie (Blue was added to lips and other features for photographic reasons) I suspect they used a harsh lacquer paint that attacked the latex. Because of that paint along with perspiration and the actor’s skin oil, the masks deteriorated during filming. In some scenes I can see fatigue in the cheeks as the actors face stretched the Kirk mask

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And Rob Tharp stated about one of the masks that Bill Malone made for the 1978 movie…

“I think Bill did the customizing job on the mask originally. It seems to me they brought it back at some point, and they needed another one to match it, and we remarked on what a mess it was. They’d sprayed white lacquer paint on the face on the movie set, and it was really dirty and gross looking.”

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Hi Billy,
Thanks for chiming in & giving these concrete information. So, basically TLW’s story opposes Don Post, Jr.‘s story (or rather Bill Malone’s story as it was mostly Bill Malone who was interviewed). But let me assure you that I’m not calling anyone a liar, I believe you but it’s just that the stories seem to change over time. I have heard that John Carpenter wasn’t one of them who went to the store but Bill Malone said he did, maybe he didn’t go at first but went with the crew on the second trip. I have actually read these from somewhere from the older threads, I may be a somewhat new member but I was a lurker for around 6 years until I finally decided to join the forums. What really boggles my mind is that Bill Malone’s converted ‘75 Kirk that disappeared didn’t look anything like the Hero but yet was called a “sister” mask to the one supposedly used in the stalking scene that you personally believe, what I’m saying is you would expect a “sister” mask to look much like the “original” mask. The Malone Kirk should resemble much like the Hero to support the theory but it didn’t. So, using the concrete information that you shared with us, DPS (correct me if I read it wrong) believe that they modified a Kirk mask but the crew had repainted it on the setting & harmed the mask so they returned to purchase another one due to their mistake? But of course there’s another story that the crew purchased the Kirk & modified it on the setting & returned with the converted Kirk in hand & asked them to modify a Kirk using their modified Kirk as a basis. So, DPS’ stories seem to vary among its employees. I honestly think there were too many Kirks being modified to remember which was converted by who, let alone which year (1978 or 1981). I personally believe DPS never modified a Kirk until 1981, but I could be wrong. The bottom-line is TLW’s story differs from DPS’ story. I really don’t think anyone is trying to claim anything, I think it was just too long ago so the stories changed & started to contradict themselves.

On the side note, did you ever ask DP, Jr. why he needed to borrow Bill Malone’s Kirk. I have always wondered this myself. Also, are you saying that Bryan’s description on your old '75 Kirk on eBay about it being a H2 “stunt” mask was false? I’m sure Bryan wasn’t lying, he was just describing it what he was told (also what I was told) about the mask. So, does this mean that Jake Elliot’s '75 Kirk wasn’t a H2 “stunt” mask neither since none survived? What’s the true origin of your old '75 Kirk? Why was it already in the Myers form when you purchased it? Sorry for too many questions but I like to learn.

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I read on another site(long gone :frowning: ) where there was an interview with Malone. He claimes that he lent the sister mask to DPjr for the production of H4.
Interesting thing is that the H4 Hero somewhat resembles that of the sister mask, sideburns and thick brows,etc…
In the commentary of H4, they state they had the mask from H1/H2.
The H1/H2 hero was owned by Warlock that time so they may have thought the mask they had, which may have been the sister mask was the hero :bulb:

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Thanks for the information, kaizu! That’s interesting and does absolutely make sense. Okay, so Bill Malone lent the “sister” mask to DP, Jr. for the production of H4, like you said, and they thought it was the actual mask used in H1/H2 which is why they made a new one resembling that mask… that makes me want to slap the director of H4’s face for not paying attention to what the H1/H2 Hero looked like in the previous movies before directing H4! :laughing:

Also, when I learned from Billy that the '75 Kirk that Bill Malone took with him was actually a “sister” mask to the “original” mask made for the movie, I got confused because you would have to expect the “sister” mask to replicate the “original” mask and the “sister” mask didn’t even look like the Hero at all (with black hair, sideburns, and thick eyebrows). This got me to thinking what is this “original” mask that the “sister” mask derived from that Billy was talking about and something popped up in my mind… I remembered a picture of TLW, John Carpenter, and Nick Castle all wearing a '75 Kirk while singing a song in a party just after the filming of H1 in 1978. Nick Castle wore the Hero, John Carpenter wore the stunt mask as seen in the schoolyard scene, and TLW wore a '75 Kirk with black hair with sideburns and eyebrows which looked much like Bill Malone’s “sister” mask, so I was thinking that the mask TLW wore was this mysterious “original” mask that Bill Malone’s “sister” mask replicated. This may prove that Billy Kirkus was right that DPS DID convert some of the '75 Kirks in 1978 because the picture was taken in 1978, but this still doesn’t mean that DPS converted the Hero because that “original” mask is NOT the Hero and looked very different from the Hero. My belief that DPS did not convert any of '75 Kirks until 1981 is changed because of this. :wink: You learn something new everyday!

Here are the comparison pictures of the supposedly “original” mask and the “sister” mask.
sistermask.jpg
3masks.jpg

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Oh and I want to add that I don’t even remember seeing this “original” mask anywhere in the movie, it may have been just laying around on the setting of the filming but had not been used at all. So, I’m not sure which mask Billy Kirkus was talking about in the stalking scene but I’m thinking that it may have been a stunt mask that John Carpenter was wearing in the picture (at the left) which was also used in the schoolyard scene. I love having a healthy debate. :wink:

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Well they were foolish enough to use a kirk/kirkish mask in the beginning of the shoot(school scene) and didn’t notice for awhile :laughing:




I posted this a long time ago and it caused drama…
Remember, this chart is no way correct and is only what I’ve assumed.
If it causes drama, I’ll take this down :bulb:







Hero

Stunt mask 1#

Stunt mask 2#

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Which may have been used for the reshoot bloodtears “close-up”

Unused Back-up/Kept by Bill Malone(?)M.I.A

Two Tramers

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:open_mouth: Wow, kaizu! I NEVER thought that there was a stunt mask used in the blood tears scene in H2! You truly have been doing some serious homework. I feel stupid now thinking that it was ALL the Hero in H2. After seeing what you assumed, I went to check out the ending of Halloween II on YouTube and you are DEFINITELY RIGHT! Thanks for sharing the pictures showing the difference in hairlines, I definitely agree with you that the mask that Tony Moran wore was the same mask used as a stunt mask in H2. In the ending of H2, you can clearly see that the blood was stationary and wasn’t messy on the Hero (probably because they didn’t want to harm it) and before that, the mask was switched so the blood could run down the mask and get messy as Dick Warlock puts his hand on the mask. It’s funny that it was messy with the blood all over at first then the Hero returned and wasn’t as messy as it only had a slim line of the blood on each side, the lining of the blood was little off on the stunt mask from the lining on the Hero. Brilliant research, kaizu! :sunglasses: I don’t understand why it caused drama back then, it’s a great piece of information.

But I’m not sure if the H2 stunt mask was the same mask that TLW wore in the party because it looked like it had sideburns and VERY dark haired compared to the other 2 (more like Bill Malone’s “sister” mask). But it’s hard to see for 100% sure, it may have been shadows that caused it to look like it had sideburns but I really think it did have sideburns which may be why Bill Malone’s “sister” mask did because it replicated that one. I wish I could say I’m 100% sure that the mask TLW wore did have sideburns but I’m not. :cry: But I’m leaning more that way, this MAY mean that there were at least FOUR '75 Kirks made for the movie. :open_mouth: TLW did say that there might have been 4 or 5! I’m glad that you shared these with me, kaizu! :sunglasses:

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Hey Colbster. Man o man I can’t wait for this project to be completed. :rock: :rock: :rock: I’m really happy for ya bro. Don’t let anybody bum you out with negative comments. It doesn’t matter what it’s going to look like. All that matters is it will be a very unique piece done by the man himself. :drinkers:

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Congrats on this amazing mask project.Like you said will it look identical to the hero no, but not one artist mask here does.They are all nice replicas of the original.You could never make 2 mask identical the way he converted them in 78.Having him do it regardless of the outcome will make it a historic mask to own.How many people have a mask converted by TLW ??? Congrats and I cant wait to see the outcome.

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Coulda sworn I’d already congratulated you on this - but oh well, never hurts to do it again :smiley:

I agree with the above statement (although I have to say I think Mike’s new 75K is about as “Hero” as it gets. Just my opinion of course - James really took it to a higher level with that badboy :smiling_imp: ) Getting a damn good replica from one of our great companies/converters…about 200-600 bucks. Getting ahold of one of those big-time masks that everyone drools over…1700-3000 bucks. Owning a mask converted by TLW himself…PRICELESS :rock:

*Naturally, those prices were just rough estimates to go along with my credit-card commercial parody :mrgreen:

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Thanks Hugo buddy! I really appreciate your enthusiasm for me! Trust me, I can’t wait for this project to be completed. Only less than 2 months to go for me to fly out and receive my mask. :smiling_imp: I will keep you updated, my supporting friend! :smiley:

Thanks for your support MASK4ME (I would like to know your real name :mrgreen: ), I really appreciate it! I’m glad that you can understand what the significance of the mask will be for me! :sunglasses: You got it exactly right! There’s NO other masks that have been converted by TLW except for the Hero and these M.I.A. stunt masks, I was just glad that he agreed to do this. I cannot wait to share the pics of the finished mask! :stuck_out_tongue:

Thanks, my friend Bridge! Yeah, you sure did already congratulate me. :smiley: But I’m glad you decided to do it again! :sunglasses: I agree with you, I believe other great converters will do a better job but you are right this is PRICELESS! :laughing: Nice parody! Lol. BTW, I’m still waiting for your CD. :smiling_imp:

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AWESOME! AWESOME and AWESOME!
This is one of the most coolest things to come from this community (other than the 75K hehe) for some time! This threads been a good read and there’s been some things said, I didnt even think about!
Cant wait to see how this turns out.
Did I say this was Awesome?
lol

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Just put it in the mail earlier today…FINALLY, huh? :mrgreen: Looking forward to the update to this thread - it’s gonna be awesome (as stated above in the previous post) :drinkers:

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Thanks, Ben!! I’m glad that another friend of mine finds this entertaining! :rock:

Bridge, I got your CD last month! You have a very cool-looking band! My father found it interesting! :rock:

An update;

Next week, my Captain Kirk will no longer be a captain of the ship and he will turn to the dark side! :smiling_imp:

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Latest update:

I’m kind of pursuing two ideas at once:

One will be what you might expect, an interview-type situation where I convert your mask while Sean asks pertinent questions and makes informed observations.

The other will be a more mysterious, subjective short film, with mostly closeups of the hand-work itself. The idea will be as if revisiting the actual deed, back in preproduction on “Halloween” – or, if it’s effective enough, perhaps even a sense that we’re watching Michael Myers make his mask in preparation for his first night of terror – a kind of prequel short to the original movie, if you will.

When it’s all done, if it’s worth viewing, I’ll make damn sure you have a copy.

Looks like we’re re-set for shooting this-coming Wednesday.

TL