I respect that fact that you like them. Everyone is entitle to their own opinion, and I’m really glad you like them.
For me, I hate them both with a passion. That’s not Michael Myers, nor a Halloween movie. He was just too big, and the whole story line about Michael Myers childhood was just dumb. The script sounded like it was written by a 6 year old, and I will say this. RZ Halloween 2 was the worst horror movie I’ve ever seen. The hobo Myers look was just sacrilege. The remake should of never been made, period. Why remake what I consider, the perfect movie?
Let’s be honest… a 6"8, 240lbs Myers, up against a 5"2, 105lbs girl was just a joke… At east in the original Myers was 5’11, 170lbs, and Laurie about 5"8, 135lbs.
There’s a lot to dislike, but for what it’s worth Rob Zombie’s Halloween 2 is the only film in the entire series after Halloween 3 that tried something entirely new. The fall atmosphere and a lot of the visuals are really great too, which is more than I can say for H20 and Resurrection.
However, there’s no Michael Myers, very little to like about the characters, and it’s overly long.
I really like them. They are much more well-made films than most in the franchise and it’s not even close, and they made Michael legitimately scary again. Truth hurts purists but that’s the truth.
However, I do understand why they turn many people off, what with the very excessive obscenities and hilariously over the top white trash moments and a few annoying plot points. They aren’t for everyone.
I just laugh when people so absurdly state that the Rob Zombie films “ruined the franchise.” How you can say that after seeing what was one the most lazily written and most poorly edited films where Michael is controlled by a cult and impregnates his neice is beyond my comprehension. At least the RZ films were directed like REAL movies.
It’s just the stubborn purist mentality. Reality is they were some of the best films in the franchise, although that’s not saying much.
Again, that’s just a matter of opinion. Just because the majority of the fans hates the RZ crap, doesn’t mean we have " stubborn purist mentality". IMO, they’re just crappy movies, period. Truthfully I don’t care for any Myers movie after H2. But these RZ movies are pure garbage. Again, my opinion. And if you think the RZ movies are masterpieces, well that’s your opinion and I respect that.
Except you’re wrong. If you think they are pure trash then what about 4, 5, 6? The RZ films have some incredible cinematography, camerawork and overall direction and style, not to mention of Michael Myers that works extremely well for that environment and an original and cool concept for the 2nd one. I can go on with other reasons if you like.
They are only “pure garbage” if you don’t know anything about film, quite frankly. As far as being masterpieces, I didn’t go nearly that far.
So what makes you a film expert? And if you " read " what I wrote, I said I didn’t like anything after H2. You’re the only person I’ve ever heard saying these films have " incredible cinematography, camerawork and overall direction and style". To each his own.
Remember, no one is wrong about a subjective opinion. That’s where this goes off the rails with these conversations. I can say your wrong, you say I’m wrong, and we are all talking about subjective material with our own opinions. So none of us are wrong.
Its different for every individual. We all have our take on what we like, and there is nothing wrong with that.
That was my point from the beginning. But when you begin to say " we’re wrong " or we have " purist mentality " for not liking that RZ garbage, that’s where it crosses the line.
Thanks for understanding, Jay. If he respected that I , or 90% of the members here are not a fans of the RZ movies , I would be cool with that. But the whole " purist mentality " or " we don’t know what good film is", just didn’t sit well with me. You know me Jay, I’ve never argued with anyone here. But this dude really struck a nerve. Maybe because I’m having a bad day at work, but his comments didn’t sit well with me. lol
No Hugo, I get it. I’m not generally looking for a fight myself but when someone tells me I’m wrong for feeling the way I do…all bets are off He should really learn to respect others opinions like most of us do
Again, if you don’t see good technique, cinematography and style then you just don’t understand film. You don’t have to like it, but there’s definitely a lot of quality in those films, that’s not debatable. Sorry, but I don’t jump on “opinion” bandwagon because there are times where facts overrule opinions. Sometimes people are just wrong. Opinions can and are constantly based on fallacies and falsehoods. Simply having an opinion doesn’t make someone’s thoughts valid, sorry.
I’m the only one you’ve heard say that? So what? How many people do you know that have actually studied film? Anecdotal responses are pointless, and illogical. Not a real valid argument. Pointing to what other people think without context (even your own!)/anecdotal evidence is as poorly as you can possible argue.
Do you even know what cinematography is? If so, then explain why I’m wrong. If you can’t or won’t engage in answering that question, then I think I’ve proven my point here.
To listen to multiple points about something and to have your only possible response be, “Nah, it’s pure crap” is very telling. Having an opinion is one thing. Having no base behind it and not being able to even make a simple Counterpoint or even acknowledge the points made towards you is another thing.
Merely having an opinion doesn’t mean you can’t be an adult.
Conform? No, I don’t expect anyone to conform. Simply being open-minded, willing to learn things or even willing to change an opinion on something is not conforming. It’s called being a sensible human being. And the fact you look at someone asking you to possibly change your opinion on something as conforming shows a definite lack of sensibility and too much ego.
Again, notice a lot of defensive or aggressive statements and virtually none of my points throughout this topic being countered so far. Pretty much just, “Nuh-uh!” It would be nice if more adults actually were adults.
And clearly there’s no open-mindedness about you and some others in this thread. (Understatement)
Seriously dude…you seem “troubled” Such a fanboy trying to push your goofy opinions on others. This “Your way or you’re not sensible” issue is assanine. How old are you? I always thought people outgrew your way of thinking at around 15 or so? Total joke. Go away. Not taking you seriously. Everything Hugo said was dead on
ROB ZOMBIE MOVIES SUCK! THEYRE BORING AND SO IS HE! He didn’t ruin the franchise because he and his movies aren’t part of it. At least every other HalloweeN movie added something new. What did he add? Some trailer park trash and more blood. Big god damn deal. An old fart with a bad hemmoroid in a public rest room at Wal-Mart Can add what Zombie did for the cost of some toilet paper, a little more pressure on the wipe, and a flush and gotten 10 fold more production value than Zombie boy. His movies are for people that should have the same last name as him. Now that all being said. It’s just my opinion and I could be wrong LMAO
He should really learn to respect others opinions like most of us do
Seriously dude…you seem “troubled” Such a fanboy trying to push your goofy opinions on others. This “Your way or you’re not sensible” issue is assanine. How old are you? I always thought people outgrew your way of thinking at around 15 or so? Total joke. Go away. Not taking you seriously. Everything Hugo said was dead on