Why does everyone hate the RZ films ?

[Joe_Grizzly]

He’s funny like that. Expects everyone to conform to his opinions about RZ crap. Opinions are like a-holes.

Conform? No, I don’t expect anyone to conform. Simply being open-minded, willing to learn things or even willing to change an opinion on something is not conforming. It’s called being a sensible human being. And the fact you look at someone asking you to possibly change your opinion on something as conforming shows a definite lack of sensibility.

And clearly there’s no open-mindedness about you and some others in this thread. (Understatement)

Seriously dude…you seem “troubled” Such a fanboy trying to push your goofy opinions on others. This “Your way or you’re not sensible” issue is assanine. How old are you? I always thought people outgrew your way of thinking at around 15 or so? Total joke. Go away. Not taking you seriously. Everything Hugo said was dead on

Can you counter a single point I made?

Why do I have to repeat a simple question numerous times? Either you can’t and then admit that I have a point, otherwise actually counter some of my points and make a case besides an empty, “They suck!”

If literally all you can offer is merely emptily stating the movies suck over and over again without getting into any actual details, then you have no substance and nothing to offer on the subject. Your opinions are irrelevant, because you can’t even elaborate on them or present arguments based on them. I honestly don’t think they’re even any thoughts behind the hatred of these films beyond the same few talking points over and over again.

Are there any adults around here?

[Derek]

Take it easy here please… disagreements and differing opinions are OK, blatant disrespect and insults are not. We are beginning to ride a fine line here. Please keep it clean.

Thank you.

[Juicemaster310]

So what makes you a film expert? And if you " read " what I wrote, I said I didn’t like anything after H2. You’re the only person I’ve ever heard saying these films have " incredible cinematography, camerawork and overall direction and style". To each his own.

He’s funny like that. Expects everyone to conform to his opinions about RZ crap. Opinions are like a-holes.

Conform? No, I don’t expect anyone to conform. Simply being open-minded, willing to learn things or even willing to change an opinion on something is not conforming. It’s called being a sensible human being. And the fact you look at someone asking you to possibly change your opinion on something as conforming shows a definite lack of sensibility and too much ego.

Again, notice a lot of defensive or aggressive statements and virtually none of my points throughout this topic being countered so far. Pretty much just, “Nuh-uh!” It would be nice if more adults actually were adults.

And clearly there’s no open-mindedness about you and some others in this thread. (Understatement)

Holy smokes. Look man. I’m going to take Derek’s advice and end this. You’re not worthy of my time. As an old member use to say, " now go have some cheesecake" , and enjoy watching your Rob Zombie movies.

[heybro]

I didn’t like H1 because by definition, it was like I knew what was going to happen. Lots of setup needed and not much new.

I did like H2 especially the opening rain sequence. I also liked the white horse.

[mam1978]

Look…what people think are factual arguments aren’t. They’re only rationalizations for what they felt when watching a movie or whatever. Rarely do people even understand what makes them feel something because most of us aren’t robots and our moods shift all the time. So just saying a movie sucks…is just as valid as saying oh I liked the cinematographic technique used…blah blah blah…some of the best guitarists technically speaking have no soul and some of the best riffs don’t take a ton of talent. Some of the best movies don’t go over with common folk and some of the worst ones make great comedy. If I say Rob Z is awesome and you hate him, who cares? What’s the argument about besides proving you’re Better than someone else and their opinion?..but still ROB ZOMBIE SUCKS! Lmao and if you can’t laugh at that, god help you

[Riddict]

Just for the record, Joe grizzly has already stated he thought the first RZ had merit, but the second was an abomination. Then goes on to say it’s the mask that helps him to like various entries in the franchise.

Here’s what you said back in November of last year Joe. You said his second film was an abomination. Yet now here you are singing it’s praises.

Here your opinion has shifted, Joe, if it differs from this older post. Just like any other folks on here who’s opinions and thoughts shift on things. Read below and compare your posts in this thread. So to get heated over this, when you yourself have shifting opinions, is a bit odd.



User avatarJoe Grizzly
Re: Love or hate the sequels?
Unread post Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:35 pm

“Halloween is probably my favorite horror film of all time. Despite some flaws, I love Halloween 2. The rest I could do without but don’t hate all of them. H20 and 4 are ok. I enjoy 5 and 6 mildly for minor reasons. 3 was brutal and Resurrection was a steaming turd of a movie, the “Jason Takes Manhattan” of Halloween only worse. If I could make myself forget that the franchise had existed before Zombie’s take I could say his first one had merit, but the second was an abomination.


I think the aesthetic of the masks is something that affects my liking of the films, silly as it may be. The original mask, especially the H2 version, was amazing. I thought the H5 mask was pretty scary. other than they, IMO they all suck. I thought H4 was one of the better installments but that mask was just so lame.”

And then here is another post, where you are not a fan of the humanizing of Myers:


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User avatarJoe Grizzly
Re: BAD news for the new halloween movie
Unread post Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:51 pm

"As has already been conveyed here, playing this facade that he started as a “regular human” is silly as many scenes in H1 itself, and ESPECIALLY the ending, made it quite clear he was not normal, and Loomis sold that the entire movie. People actually debating this or trying to argue around it is silly. I would argue that point being hammered him is what etched Michael in history as the quintessential boogeyman in films.

I think the remake humanizing him, while interesting, was part of what largely killed the mystique of the character.

I understand that you have to do new things over time, but this is part of why attempts at prolonging Michael’s story has been problematic."


So there you have it. That’s your subjective opinion that has clearly shifted, and your entitled to it. Nothing wrong with that. I have no issues with Joe’s opinions and thoughts, even though he has plenty of problems with everyone else’s. I personally have never bashed him for it, but he has bashed all of us over our take on things.

Got to take the high road sometimes and not bite each other’s heads off over subjective material.

[The_Duel_Truck_Drive]

I found Laurie extremely annoying in both and didn’t like how everything is grubby and everyone seems to have a screw loose. Didn’t care for the language either. With that being said, I will watch any movie with Myers in, and I liked the street stalking moments in H1, and the hospital car park part of H2 very much.

[Joe_Grizzly]

He’s funny like that. Expects everyone to conform to his opinions about RZ crap. Opinions are like a-holes.

Conform? No, I don’t expect anyone to conform. Simply being open-minded, willing to learn things or even willing to change an opinion on something is not conforming. It’s called being a sensible human being. And the fact you look at someone asking you to possibly change your opinion on something as conforming shows a definite lack of sensibility and too much ego.

Again, notice a lot of defensive or aggressive statements and virtually none of my points throughout this topic being countered so far. Pretty much just, “Nuh-uh!” It would be nice if more adults actually were adults.

And clearly there’s no open-mindedness about you and some others in this thread. (Understatement)

Holy smokes. Look man. I’m going to take Derek’s advice and end this. You’re not worthy of my time. As an old member use to say, " now go have some cheesecake" , and enjoy watching your Rob Zombie movies.

“You’re not worth my time.” - Typical response from someone with no answer and no argument who can’t even address a basic question.

I stand corrected. And since no one else I addressed can do so either…

[Joe_Grizzly]

Just for the record, Joe grizzly has already stated he thought the first RZ had merit, but the second was an abomination. Then goes on to say it’s the mask that helps him to like various entries in the franchise.

Here’s what you said back in November of last year Joe. You said his second film was an abomination. Yet now here you are singing it’s praises.

Here your opinion has shifted, Joe, if it differs from this older post. Just like any other folks on here who’s opinions and thoughts shift on things. Read below and compare your posts in this thread. So to get heated over this, when you yourself have shifting opinions, is a bit odd.



User avatarJoe Grizzly
Re: Love or hate the sequels?
Unread post Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:35 pm

“Halloween is probably my favorite horror film of all time. Despite some flaws, I love Halloween 2. The rest I could do without but don’t hate all of them. H20 and 4 are ok. I enjoy 5 and 6 mildly for minor reasons. 3 was brutal and Resurrection was a steaming turd of a movie, the “Jason Takes Manhattan” of Halloween only worse. If I could make myself forget that the franchise had existed before Zombie’s take I could say his first one had merit, but the second was an abomination.


I think the aesthetic of the masks is something that affects my liking of the films, silly as it may be. The original mask, especially the H2 version, was amazing. I thought the H5 mask was pretty scary. other than they, IMO they all suck. I thought H4 was one of the better installments but that mask was just so lame.”

And then here is another post, where you are not a fan of the humanizing of Myers:


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User avatarJoe Grizzly
Re: BAD news for the new halloween movie
Unread post Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:51 pm

"As has already been conveyed here, playing this facade that he started as a “regular human” is silly as many scenes in H1 itself, and ESPECIALLY the ending, made it quite clear he was not normal, and Loomis sold that the entire movie. People actually debating this or trying to argue around it is silly. I would argue that point being hammered him is what etched Michael in history as the quintessential boogeyman in films.

I think the remake humanizing him, while interesting, was part of what largely killed the mystique of the character.

I understand that you have to do new things over time, but this is part of why attempts at prolonging Michael’s story has been problematic."


So there you have it. That’s your subjective opinion that has clearly shifted, and your entitled to it. Nothing wrong with that. I have no issues with Joe’s opinions and thoughts, even though he has plenty of problems with everyone else’s. I personally have never bashed him for it, but he has bashed all of us over our take on things.

Got to take the high road sometimes and not bite each other’s heads off over subjective material.

You’re correct. I did initially hate the movie.

Guess what? After watching it again, I really appreciated it its merits. That’s partially because I’m open-minded. I addressed why I changed my mind about the film in the ranking list that I did on YouTube.

I’m not saying anyone else has to change their opinion on any given subject. But the whole ideas that an opinion is always valid and that it never changes are both utterly ridiculous. If you never change your opinion on anything in your life then that means you never learned anything.

Thanks for a civil and intelligent response, though. That’s something that is sorely lacking when it comes to this topic.

[Caleb_Croft]

He’s funny like that. Expects everyone to conform to his opinions about RZ crap. Opinions are like a-holes.

Conform? No, I don’t expect anyone to conform. Simply being open-minded, willing to learn things or even willing to change an opinion on something is not conforming. It’s called being a sensible human being. And the fact you look at someone asking you to possibly change your opinion on something as conforming shows a definite lack of sensibility and too much ego.

Again, notice a lot of defensive or aggressive statements and virtually none of my points throughout this topic being countered so far. Pretty much just, “Nuh-uh!” It would be nice if more adults actually were adults.

And clearly there’s no open-mindedness about you and some others in this thread. (Understatement)

Holy smokes. Look man. I’m going to take Derek’s advice and end this. You’re not worthy of my time. As an old member use to say, " now go have some cheesecake" , and enjoy watching your Rob Zombie movies.

Exactly bro Hugo. If he honestly studied film then he best go “back to school” like Dangerfield & Sandler Picks RZ trash as quality. Just another Murder movie lol I’m done Gonna pop some popcorn & read his pointless replies

[Caleb_Croft]

Look…what people think are factual arguments aren’t. They’re only rationalizations for what they felt when watching a movie or whatever. Rarely do people even understand what makes them feel something because most of us aren’t robots and our moods shift all the time. So just saying a movie sucks…is just as valid as saying oh I liked the cinematographic technique used…blah blah blah…some of the best guitarists technically speaking have no soul and some of the best riffs don’t take a ton of talent. Some of the best movies don’t go over with common folk and some of the worst ones make great comedy. If I say Rob Z is awesome and you hate him, who cares? What’s the argument about besides proving you’re Better than someone else and their opinion?..but still ROB ZOMBIE SUCKS! Lmao and if you can’t laugh at that, god help you

Well said. Honestly if he was a cool, civil, level headed dude it may just be fun debating but… Oh well

[poppincurbs]

I love the first one. Enjoyed how he made it his own vision. As John Carpenter said on making films “Never compromise. Make it your vision. Why else are you here?!”

The second one is ok, Laurie was quite annoying, and the whole white horse/ghost mom thing was a little too much for me. But once again, RZ did it his way and I appreciate that. It’s ahead of H6/Resurrection at the bottom for me!

[Juicemaster310]

Conform? No, I don’t expect anyone to conform. Simply being open-minded, willing to learn things or even willing to change an opinion on something is not conforming. It’s called being a sensible human being. And the fact you look at someone asking you to possibly change your opinion on something as conforming shows a definite lack of sensibility and too much ego.

Again, notice a lot of defensive or aggressive statements and virtually none of my points throughout this topic being countered so far. Pretty much just, “Nuh-uh!” It would be nice if more adults actually were adults.

And clearly there’s no open-mindedness about you and some others in this thread. (Understatement)

Holy smokes. Look man. I’m going to take Derek’s advice and end this. You’re not worthy of my time. As an old member use to say, " now go have some cheesecake" , and enjoy watching your Rob Zombie movies.

Exactly bro Hugo. If he honestly studied film then he best go “back to school” like Dangerfield & Sandler Picks RZ trash as quality. Just another Murder movie lol I’m done Gonna pop some popcorn & read his pointless replies

Exactly .

[Juicemaster310]

Conform? No, I don’t expect anyone to conform. Simply being open-minded, willing to learn things or even willing to change an opinion on something is not conforming. It’s called being a sensible human being. And the fact you look at someone asking you to possibly change your opinion on something as conforming shows a definite lack of sensibility and too much ego.

Again, notice a lot of defensive or aggressive statements and virtually none of my points throughout this topic being countered so far. Pretty much just, “Nuh-uh!” It would be nice if more adults actually were adults.

And clearly there’s no open-mindedness about you and some others in this thread. (Understatement)

Holy smokes. Look man. I’m going to take Derek’s advice and end this. You’re not worthy of my time. As an old member use to say, " now go have some cheesecake" , and enjoy watching your Rob Zombie movies.

“You’re not worth my time.” - Typical response from someone with no answer and no argument who can’t even address a basic question.

I stand corrected. And since no one else I addressed can do so either…

I have no argument ? lol What exactly do you want me to prove? Do you want me to write a thesis on why I think the RZ movies are terrible? You go ahead, and keep writing these long rebuttals , while I sit back , eat my popcorn and laugh. You don’t need to be a film student to know what a bad movie is. So a person who’s never attended film school doesn’t have the right to like or dislike a movie correct? I just want to clarify what I’m reading.

[Sgamyers]

Everything about the Zombie films is opposite of what makes Halloween and Michael Myers work. What most like about Halloween is non-existent in Zombie’s films. I won’t retrace those because they’ve all been mentioned here. I strongly dislike the films, but understand how some can like them. But I suspect that those who like them are able to by appreciating them for something different from Halloween and not by it scratching the inch for what you come to a typical Halloween movie for.

[Riddict]

Just for the record, Joe grizzly has already stated he thought the first RZ had merit, but the second was an abomination. Then goes on to say it’s the mask that helps him to like various entries in the franchise.

Here’s what you said back in November of last year Joe. You said his second film was an abomination. Yet now here you are singing it’s praises.

Here your opinion has shifted, Joe, if it differs from this older post. Just like any other folks on here who’s opinions and thoughts shift on things. Read below and compare your posts in this thread. So to get heated over this, when you yourself have shifting opinions, is a bit odd.



User avatarJoe Grizzly
Re: Love or hate the sequels?
Unread post Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:35 pm

“Halloween is probably my favorite horror film of all time. Despite some flaws, I love Halloween 2. The rest I could do without but don’t hate all of them. H20 and 4 are ok. I enjoy 5 and 6 mildly for minor reasons. 3 was brutal and Resurrection was a steaming turd of a movie, the “Jason Takes Manhattan” of Halloween only worse. If I could make myself forget that the franchise had existed before Zombie’s take I could say his first one had merit, but the second was an abomination.


I think the aesthetic of the masks is something that affects my liking of the films, silly as it may be. The original mask, especially the H2 version, was amazing. I thought the H5 mask was pretty scary. other than they, IMO they all suck. I thought H4 was one of the better installments but that mask was just so lame.”

And then here is another post, where you are not a fan of the humanizing of Myers:


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User avatarJoe Grizzly
Re: BAD news for the new halloween movie
Unread post Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:51 pm

"As has already been conveyed here, playing this facade that he started as a “regular human” is silly as many scenes in H1 itself, and ESPECIALLY the ending, made it quite clear he was not normal, and Loomis sold that the entire movie. People actually debating this or trying to argue around it is silly. I would argue that point being hammered him is what etched Michael in history as the quintessential boogeyman in films.

I think the remake humanizing him, while interesting, was part of what largely killed the mystique of the character.

I understand that you have to do new things over time, but this is part of why attempts at prolonging Michael’s story has been problematic."


So there you have it. That’s your subjective opinion that has clearly shifted, and your entitled to it. Nothing wrong with that. I have no issues with Joe’s opinions and thoughts, even though he has plenty of problems with everyone else’s. I personally have never bashed him for it, but he has bashed all of us over our take on things.

Got to take the high road sometimes and not bite each other’s heads off over subjective material.

You’re correct. I did initially hate the movie.

Guess what? After watching it again, I really appreciated it its merits. That’s partially because I’m open-minded. I addressed why I changed my mind about the film in the ranking list that I did on YouTube.

I’m not saying anyone else has to change their opinion on any given subject. But the whole ideas that an opinion is always valid and that it never changes are both utterly ridiculous. If you never change your opinion on anything in your life then that means you never learned anything.

Thanks for a civil and intelligent response, though. That’s something that is sorely lacking when it comes to this topic.

No problem at all. I totally get where your coming from and I respect that.

[Riddict]

Damn double post

[Joe_Grizzly]

Holy smokes. Look man. I’m going to take Derek’s advice and end this. You’re not worthy of my time. As an old member use to say, " now go have some cheesecake" , and enjoy watching your Rob Zombie movies.

“You’re not worth my time.” - Typical response from someone with no answer and no argument who can’t even address a basic question.

I stand corrected. And since no one else I addressed can do so either…

I have no argument ? lol What exactly do you want me to prove? Do you want me to write a thesis on why I think the RZ movies are terrible? You go ahead, and keep writing these long rebuttals , while I sit back , eat my popcorn and laugh. You don’t need to be a film student to know what a bad movie is. So a person who’s never attended film school doesn’t have the right to like or dislike a movie correct? I just want to clarify what I’m reading.

That’s the whole point. I posted to explain why these movies are actually decent. If some of you aren’t going to actually attempt to put up an argument, then why are you even responding?

And yet you contradict yourself by still claiming it’s a bad movie without covering any of my points.

Again I ask you, do you even know what cinematography is? Yes, you might need to understand something about film to understand why it’s good or bad. Just like you might need to be a medical student to understand something about medical practice. and if you think you actually know what makes a film bad, why don’t you get into the detail? Why are you scared engage? Usually, people refuse to answer questions and engage simply because they don’t actually know what they’re talking about. Because they don’t actually HAVE any answers. So far that sounds like you.



You merely claim they are bad movies without actually giving any reason. I actually give numerous reasons and explanations why they are good. Who’s more credible? It’s not rocket science. Do you actually equate the Rob Zombie films with all the other poor Halloween films?

Your post seem to indicate you don’t actually have a thought process behind any of this. This is the problem I have with people and “opinions.” If your opinion is merely a conditioned reaction that doesn’t have any actual thought behind it and you can’t even explain it, then it’s irrelevant. If you simply don’t feel like taking the time to type everything out and hashing it out about it, then don’t respond in the first place. It’s not difficult.

[FutureReference]

I didn’t like them simply because I never felt the need for an in-depth analysis of Michael Myers. Never wanted to pick his brain and wasn’t interested in his childhood. This new film shows well that he embodies evil and is less of a man and more of an evil oddity. Rob Zombie made him into a person which I was not a fan of. I did like him killing his bully in the first film, and Rob including Danielle Harris in the film; but besides that I wasn’t a fan. I like gore but I didn’t feel the need for as much of it in a Myers film. And the second entry… the white horse and everything else just completely threw me off and I wasn’t a fan at all. I respect those who like the entries, they just aren’t my cup of tea.

[Juicemaster310]

“You’re not worth my time.” - Typical response from someone with no answer and no argument who can’t even address a basic question.

I stand corrected. And since no one else I addressed can do so either…

I have no argument ? lol What exactly do you want me to prove? Do you want me to write a thesis on why I think the RZ movies are terrible? You go ahead, and keep writing these long rebuttals , while I sit back , eat my popcorn and laugh. You don’t need to be a film student to know what a bad movie is. So a person who’s never attended film school doesn’t have the right to like or dislike a movie correct? I just want to clarify what I’m reading.

That’s the whole point. I posted to explain why these movies are actually decent. If some of you aren’t going to actually attempt to put up an argument, then why are you even responding?

And yet you contradict yourself by still claiming it’s a bad movie without covering any of my points.

Again I ask you, do you even know what cinematography is? Yes, you might need to understand something about film to understand why it’s good or bad. Just like you might need to be a medical student to understand something about medical practice. and if you think you actually know what makes a film bad, why don’t you get into the detail? Why are you scared engage? Usually, people refuse to answer questions and engage simply because they don’t actually know what they’re talking about. Because they don’t actually HAVE any answers. So far that sounds like you.



You merely claim they are bad movies without actually giving any reason. I actually give numerous reasons and explanations why they are good. Who’s more credible? It’s not rocket science. Do you actually equate the Rob Zombie films with all the other poor Halloween films?

Your post seem to indicate you don’t actually have a thought process behind any of this. This is the problem I have with people and “opinions.” If your opinion is merely a conditioned reaction that doesn’t have any actual thought behind it and you can’t even explain it, then it’s irrelevant. If you simply don’t feel like taking the time to type everything out and hashing it out about it, then don’t respond in the first place. It’s not difficult.

Goodness you are a special one