Why I think some fans hate the sequels

I was originally going to post my essay here. But, I deleted it because it felt too antagonistic for a forum I’ve never been on before. So, I’m going to try to condense my 7 page essay into a short post.

I think the reason so many fans dislike the sequels is because, as they word it, they don’t ‘capture the essence of Micheal Myers’ in the first movie.

That said, I am making this topic because I think that segment of the fans needs to get over this point and themselves because what they’re asking for is impossible.

The key to understanding this is to understand that Micheal is not a character. Micheal is a mannequin that Carpenter uses to recreate the fear he felt from a very specific experience that he had.

Carpenter explained the origin of Micheal as a class trip he made to visit a psyche ward where he saw a very young boy who had an ‘evil stare’ that scared the crap out of him.

Carpenter knew nothing at all about this boy as a person. All he knew was that he had this scary stare ‘the blackest eyes, the Devil’s eyes’ and that he must have done something really bad to be in the psyche ward. And that it was shocking to think that someone so young could have done something that bad and have such a ‘death stare.’

This right here is the dissociative lens. Because in this moment Carpenter scares himself. He allows himself to see this person as a not-person who he knows really nothing about and doesn’t understand. Then, from this fear of not understanding, he allows himself to project all of his worst fears onto this boy and scare himself with his own worst fears.

It’s the dissociative lens, that uncanny valley, of seeing ‘something’ in the shape of a person who did something bad that humans should never do… but have no idea why. Which, again, makes the person appear inhuman, alien, a non-person.

Micheal, then, is not a character. He’s the character stand in, the mannequin, that Carpenter uses to expertly recreate this exact experience that he had for the audience.

The reason that Carpenter can’t recreate this boy as a character is because Carpenter never knew this boy as a person. All Carpenter ever knew was his own lens, his own experience of how this boy’s ‘death stare’ made him feel afraid. So, all Carpenter could recreate was the experience itself. Rendering Micheal in the recreation to the same role as the boy in the experience; a blank mannequin that the audience could project their own fear on in the same way he projected his own fear onto this boy.

That’s the entire point of the movie, to invite the audience to do this and scare themselves in the same way with the movie that he scared himself with his experience.

The problem for sequels is that Micheal Myers is no more a character in the movie than that boy was a person to Carpenter.

This means that the writers don’t really have any meat on the bone left to build on with sequels to Micheal.

If they characterize Micheal, they ruin the blankness of the mannequin and audiences get upset about that.

If they don’t characterize Micheal, Micheal is… well… boring. He’s a one trick pony because while a blank mannequin is a really good trick to get audiences to scares themselves in a really well made, low budget, 1970’s art film. It doesn’t really work past just one movie because sense Micheal isn’t a character there is nothing of substance to build on.

This is not to say that the movie or the people working on it is nothing of substance. Just Micheal himself.

There is no back story. No motive. No emotions. No deep thoughts. No style. No personality. Nothing, nothing at all that makes a real character.

What worked so well about the first film is the audiences scared themselves with Micheal. The movie was made that way on purpose to have that effect. But, you can’t just do that again and again with the same character in the same franchise without expecting diminishing returns because that gets boring fast.

This leaves writers trapped between a rock and a hard place. Characterize Micheal and be complained at for ruining the effect the blank mannequin causes in the audience that the audience loved so much about the original. Or just do a paint by numbers of the original all over again, and get complained at for being nothing but a pale imitation of the original. There’s nowhere for the writers to take Micheal because he was never written as a character. All he was, was a mannequin vessel to expertly recreate for the audience the fearful experience of projecting your own fears onto a dangerous person you otherwise know nothing about as a person.

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I agree with alot that you are saying , but he s stll a character…not with emotions , but hes Death in human form. (Death has come to your little town, Sherriff) His essence is he is just pure evil/soul taker. Just like the Reaper, he gets something from killing and also from making a display /scene of things…referring only to the original halloween here he is methodical in some ways (cat and mouse ,watching from shadows, stalking prey) so although hes not triggered by emotions he still has a singular drive to kill once he locks onto a target . I think hes only boring cuz we havent gotten a chance to actually see him do alot of the gruesome things he does in the films. Hes actually pretty sadistic , watching the life drain from victims bodies like a curious dog and taking dead bodies and putting them on display or hiding them . It is scary when some things are left to the imagination, but i think some things should be shown as this is his only character trait that makes him scary and terrifying other than the fear of not knowing anything about him. So i dont think its impossible to please fans its just writers need to just keep his essence/modus operandi intact and make the actual human characters reactions /interactions/dialogue /events more interesting . Just my 2 cents.

P.s. It’s spelled mannequin lol

Thank you for your reply. Also, thank you for the spelling correction. I have fixed it in my post. Google gave me the original spelling. So, I looked into it, and apparently there are two ways to spell this word. That said, the way I meant the word to be used is the spelling that you recommended.

Mannequin is the spelling used for a clothing display. Just like Laurie had mannequins all over her gun range and in the room in her house in Halloween 2018.

I think David understood this symbolism and used the mannequins in the movie intentionally for that reason.

I personally think that a lot of the fears and theories people come up with about Micheal are projections. A sort of horror film Rorschach test.

Because Micheal is such a blank mannequin in the original film, who is dangerous and kills, the projection of theories and fear are a sort of coping mechanism.

I think everyone from characters in the first movie, to the characters in the movies that came after, to the writers of the movies that came after, to the fans all project onto and interpret Micheal differently.

I think that’s key to the fear and fun of the franchise. I also think that’s key to why there are multiple movie series in the Halloween Franchise and each projects onto and interprets Micheal differently.

The blankness and minimalist nature of the depiction of Micheal in the original film forces the hand of anyone who comes after to have to project onto Micheal and interpret him to have any chance of either expanding on him or understanding him.

I don’t think you’re interpretation is wrong. It’s the one Dr. Loomis himself holds in the original film.

But, to play Devil’s advocate and illustrate my point, we can deconstruct that interpretation.

Let’s start with evidence within the first film itself. Dr. Loomis kind of speaks out of both sides of his mouth in the original film.

"I was told there was nothing left; no reason, no conscience, no understanding in even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, of good or evil, right or wrong. I met this… six-year-old child with this blank, pale, emotionless face, and… the blackest eyes - the Devil’s eyes. I spent eight years trying to reach him, and then another seven trying to keep him locked up, because I realized that what was living behind that boy’s eyes was purely and simply… evil. "

On the one hand, Micheal is ‘pure evil.’ But, on the other hand, Micheal ‘has no reason, no conscience, not even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, good or evil, right or wrong.’

It brings up the moral question of whether or not evil is an action, an outcome, or an intent.

Because if evil is an intent, and Micheal doesn’t have the capacity to understand that intent. Then can one really call Micheal evil? Let alone “pure evil.”

Micheal’s actions are evil in that he kills people, traumatizes people, ruins families, traumatized an entire town.

But, does that make Micheal himself evil if Micheal himself doesn’t have any real understanding of his actions?

“Hes actually pretty sadistic , watching the life drain from victims bodies like a curious dog”

Again, one could argue that’s projection. Curious is the correct word here. When he pinned a man to a cabinet he stood there turning his head side to side, watching in a curious way. Kind of like a child who doesn’t really fully comprehend the meaning of his actions.

I think Loomis, and a lot of the audience with him, understood the evil of Micheal’s actions and projected this concept of “pure evil” onto him because of how evil his actions are. Yet, what does that even mean if Micheal truly doesn’t understand his own actions?

He’s drawn to kill, yet he also doesn’t really seem too pressed about it. Dispassionate is a good word here. It’s not like Jason in Friday the 13Th who is clearly killing out of anger and revenge and wanting to be left alone because of the tragic past of himself and his Mother.

Micheal doesn’t run down victims like Jason does (in some movies) with the same kind of clear intent. Micheal becomes obsessed with them. Micheal stalks them. And then Micheal lackadaisically fallows after them.

I guess to engage in some projection myself, Micheal is kind of a horror / slasher themed follower of Wu Wei.

"Wu Wei is the central principle of Daoist philosophy, which speaks of the importance of being in line with the Dao or the Natural Way in all actions, endeavours to the development of things. Without forcing or rushing against the natural order of things to avoid false development and mistakes.

Meaning that expresses “inexertion”, “inaction”, or “effortless action.”

Describing a state of personal harmony, free-flowing spontaneity and laissez-faire. It generally denotes a state of spirit that is a state of being that has a congruent connection between intention and action."

In short, Micheal kills. But, I don’t think he really cares. He’s sort of going through the motions. He expresses no emotions towards the outcome of his task. If his victim runs away, he just walks after them. If he gets attacked, he just sits back up. If he gets thrown in an insane asylum, he just patiently waits until he can get free.

There is no anger. No urgency. No drive. No motivation. Which I think is clear to distinguish from his also lack of motive. I guess I would say it like this; not only does he have no reason to kill, he doesn’t seem all that ‘into’ it either.

Killing is just what he naturally does. He has no pressing motivation to do it. He has no urgency to do it. He doesn’t really even understand what killing someone means. But, if he’s allowed to get close enough to kill someone, he does it.

On the concept of comparing Micheal to The Grim Reaper or to being a Force of Nature; Micheal does bring death. But, it’s not exactly as a function of natural order. It’s not like a plant dying to become the soil to bring forth new life. Micheal kills without a function. Micheal kills, in this sense, in an artificial manner.

These are the reasons why, while popular and often pushed forward be Loomis himself in the movie, I don’t really sign onto the “pure evil” or “Force of Nature” interpretation of Micheal.

I think the rest of Loomis’s quote, along with Micheal’s actions in the movie aligning much closer to the rest of Loomis’s quote, paint a different picture. A, for lack of a better term, dark interpretation of Wu Wei kind of deal.

“Pure Evil” arguably requires understanding of one’s own actions for the person themselves to be evil. The actions are still evil. But, to call the person evil would seem to me to require an understanding of one’s own actions that Loomis says Micheal doesn’t have.

A Force of Nature would require a natural function. Prematurely killing people for no obvious reason achieves no natural function.

Again, my goal not being to say you’re wrong. Just showing that if people really want to dissect things and play Devil’s advocate you really can strip Halloween 1 Micheal down to a blank mannequin where everything else appended to him is simply projection.

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The only sequel I enjoyed from the entire franchise was Halloween II (1981). It’s the only sequel that portrays The Shape in somewhat of the same tone as the original. The opening scenes using POV shots, entering the Elrod house, hiding in the shadows of the hospital, etc. captured the feel that made the character so scary.

Halloween 4 and on just seem so pedestrian. Clearly the filmmakers did not understand how to make this character work on screen. Perfect example is the scene when Michael is climbing on the roof in part 4. It looks so ridiculous and was not something that should have been shown. Just imagine how it would have looked had we of seen Michael climb through the window using the pipe to pull himself up when he was chasing Laurie in the basement of the hospital in part II. We see Laurie do this but the filmmakers were smart enough to not depict The Shape in such an awkward position. Instead he just appears later like the phantom that he is.

The Shape should always be in the background or foreground stalking, watching, waiting. When he appears it should feel like he came out of nowhere. The sequels from 4 on felt more like a character pretending to be The Shape rather than actually being The Shape. Kind of like that heavy set guy you’d see back in the day working the haunted house wearing the DPS The Mask, the wrong color coveralls and brandishing a chainsaw. He probably wasn’t even sure what horror movie character he was trying to portray.

Agree with a lot of what you say here. Yes its like the folks behind H4 just didnt understand the character of myers. He’s not a tank like jason but rather an adroit shape. Its literally like he teleports …but again the less explanation given the more interesting the character is.
I think thats a big reason why a lot of fans hated rob zombies versions…they explained him…they humanised him. They made him a person rather than a phantom. Sometimes and definitely in this case…less is more.