Are good ground up sculpts still special?

Just a genuine question. I know a ground up sculpt will never compete with a 98 proto. But it seems like it’s a lot harder to get attention if you are not producing a mask with lineage to an original 75 or have connections to people who have 75s. Examples being the id mask or the nhk.

It’s a little disheartening to see myers mask makers who do ground up not get any support.

Does a company like Trick or Treat Studios have a negative affect on the support that ground up sculptors receive?

Correct me if I’m wrong tho its just a question/observation

The ID is a great example of a ground-up sculpt that became one of the most sought after masks of the last 5 years. I

Lots of really good ground-ups around. Nils’ Starman is phenomenal. VanK is releasing one soon, too, I believe. If a talented artist with real sculpting ability puts out a ground-up, they can be as good as or better than a lineage mask, imo.

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Would you say its more of a old reliable mindset? Like you know what you are getting?

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DB2 will always be my favorite myers mask

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Speaking only from my own experience as a collector and obsessive fan of the first film, I have a tremendous desire to own all of the actual items that were used in the film Halloween that make up the character Michael Myers. Period.

I want to own the real mask, the real knife, the real coveralls, and the real boots. The ones that were on screen.

Unfortunately, owning those items is an impossibility in many regards.

So, I do what many of us have done, I try to figure out what the next closest thing is.

That’s when lineage enters the conversation.

A mask with lineage, to me and many others, feels closer to owning the actual mask than a ground-up. Lineage is a tangible connection to the past and to the mask used in the film.

Simple as that.

Now, that’s what makes the hobby weird. A mask with lineage can look like crap compared to a ground-up and folks still want the one with lineage because of the preceived connection it has to the Hero mask.

We are an odd bunch.

Armed with the knowledge that fans and collectors will clamor over a mask with lineage, “artists” will sometimes leverage this in unscrupulous and nefarious ways. At worst, these people will lie, steal, and cheat. Emphasis on the lying and stealing.

Anyway, my journey of piecing together the greatest Myers costume I could possibly create took an unexpected turn. After securing the identical coveralls, knife, and boots, I had to decide on a mask. Not long ago, I was deadset on a mask with strong lineage that could be traced back as closely to the Hero as possible. Although I still desire this, I came to two conclusions on my journey.

  1. The hobby is over saturated with options that offer lineage connections. The best of those options is made by someone I don’t care to do business with for some of the aforementioned lever usage.
  2. I discovered that my desire to look like Michael Myers when I suit up is as strong as my desire to own the Hero mask.

That’s when I settled on a stretch mask. In my opinion, the ID is the greatest stretch mask ever made and it’s not particulary close. It was an easy decision. It just so happens to be a ground-up and that doesn’t bother me at all.

One day, I’ll settle on a lineage mask to add to my collection, but until then, my ground-up ID has scratched my itch.

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The best Ground up sculpts are the DBII, KH/DW, Second Stab,I.D, Silent Mike and AHG’s Stab 3 are amazing ground up sculpts, I’d include Ph’s mask as well, but it uses the lifecast, so it’s not a ground up, yet still has very nice accuracy for worn and unworn.

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Ground up sculpts had their moment back in the early days but nothing really beats owning something that connects back to the original mask.

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What happened to ID mask?

The artist stopped making them.

There are something like 35 in circulation.

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That’s sad, the mask is really beautiful.

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I’ve always been a movie lineage guy with collectibles in general. However, specifically when it come to myers masks, ironically, my favorite masks have been ground up sculpts. I own an ID, 2 KH/DW, and a DB2, all of which are ground up sculpts. Only other H1 mask that I own, is a 4 Stamp, that derives from a ‘75 Kirk.

Ground up sculptures can really be great when it comes to replicating various scene looks, etc. The ID replicates the worn look in almost every regard, and I have yet to see a movie lineage mask, that can do that.

Ultimately, ground up sculpts more than have their use in this hobby.

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I’d say the I.D is not just screen accurate, it’s “Scene accurate”

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What DB2 said here is 100% accurate. I’ll take the ID over any of them and I’ve owned most. I go for what I see on the screen

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Agreed partially…the ID imo is the greatest worn mask ever made. Some of the transparency overlays are crazy. But..let facts be facts…it represents a part of the movie. When the hero mask was unworn and displayed that for me is it in its natural state and there are other masks that are factually and visually more accurate, because they have ultimately derived from the hero. This is not s******* on anyones masks..it it after all diversity that makes the site and everyone..as proved in this thread is welcome to their opinion. The ID as worn…crazy…I just prefer the all rounder.

Yeah, that’s why I mentioned “worn” look.

In the end, if you’re looking for an all around mask, I’d say a movie lineage mask is your best bet. But, if you’re looking for a scene specific mask, your likely best bet is a ground up sculpt, depending on if you’re wanting the “worn” look/etc.

Of course, with a movie lineage mask, you have the option of stuffing it properly, to achieve whatever look that you’re after, too.

Ultimately, it comes down to what you’re seeking and your personal preferences. That’s the great thing about this hobby, in that, you have a copious amount of replicas to chose from.

Yes… I saw the big “worn” word..thanks for pointing that out. You said you have yet to see a movie linage mask pull off the same look…probably just waiting for someone with a more castle shape head to wear it…maybe…you know lineage..hero.. kind of connnected.
I’m not dumping on the ID…it’s amazing just you know..opinions and all.

So accurate in fact I would love to own one in all honesty.

I’ve yet to see anybody besides Castle and Warlock themselves, wear a replica mask as they did that is from the lineage line, Hell castle wore a Paper Magic mask and Warlock has worn the KH lines as well as the IMAGE mask and Jimmy’s mask

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Yeah, it’s all subjective. I guess I was coming from a place of just talking about this topic from a display piece perspective, when nobody is wearing whatever piece it is. I’ve absolutely seen movie lineage pieces like a ‘98 Proto, pull of wonderful Castle/Warlock looks, when worn.

I never wear my masks, so I’m all about what it looks like, sitting on a display stand/etc, which is where I was coming from. So, I apologize for any confusion on my part.

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No worries. I don’t wear mine either and maybe that’s the crux of it. If you want to get the castle look period…it is without a doubt…all about the ID.
If you are a display person…probably the 75k, 98 etc. Great to be able to have a debate now…it really is. Remember back in the day..if you didn’t have a certain opinion THEN and convey that opinion…you would get hassle. Never forget a long standing member(turd) who I willl not mention in name…wishing my kids died painfully of cancer. Obviously not to my face :smiley: