Bad Transaction with Jonathan Fuller

Update on 13/06/2015

Okay, every now and then I get PMs here from people asking me what to do as regards their bad transactions with Jonathan Fuller. It seems he is still taking money off people for items, and not delivering on what he promised. The figures are shocking to be honest, and the wait times are even crazier! It seems people only tend to google him after the fact.

My advice for anyone stumbling across this thread by googling his name, contact Deputy Samuel Pledger at the San Diego Sheriff’s Department, eCrimes Telephone Reporting Unit (TRU) 858-565-3532 . I can provide his email address if needed for those not resident in the States. He in turn will get a Sergeant Varnau to investigate.


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I’ve updated the thread title to reflect what the thread has become. I’'ll leave the original thread message below. As stated on Page 4, December the 8th was the cut off point.

First and foremost, I really didn’t want to have to resort to doing this, and the people who have followed the thread already know that. This is the last thing I wanted to do, to have to post something bad about an artist whose work I love and have many pieces of his in my collection. I really wish it hadn’t come to this, but as many people have said in this thread and on Facebook, I really have been too nice. So it’s time for this to hit the fan. No more waiting and hoping he would do the right thing. I’ve been left with no other choice. I had hoped he would see this thread / or someone would notify him of it in the past weeks, and maybe it might inspire him to finish it. But alas, it has come to this after asking him could he have it done, as it was May I bought it for a birthday present to myself. It was either the bust or a holiday… and I really needed a fucking holiday. There’s another member here, who is waiting for one also, and I’m very surprised he hasn’t contributed. I guess he is afraid of upsetting Jon and not getting his bust that he probably paid in full for also.


205 days have now passed, and I still haven’t received my item I paid $450 dollars for. I had seen his thread here on this forum advertising his Tallman Phantasm Bust ( http://www.michael-myers.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=91979)

I was interested in purchasing one, and having it finished after I saw a user here post his bust, which was finished by Monte Ward. On the 17th of May I contacted Jon Fuller via his Monsterasylum website. 205 days have now passed, and after being initially quoted 3 -4 weeks for completion back in May, this is totally unacceptable to find it the 8th of December and still nothing:

The following is a transcript of every message that went from me to him and vice versa:

Purchase Transcript: from 17/05/2013 – 08/12/2013 (205 days)

Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 19:44:22 -0500
From: Odin 82
To: > monster_asylum@live.com
Subject: Tallman

Odin82 has sent you a message using your contact form at: > http://www.monsterasylum.com/Page > 0 Senders email Odin 82 Just wondering what the price of a painted/ completed Tallman would be? Thank you, Conor

Jonathan Fuller: 18 May 2013 02.39am:
550.00 latex hand laid and punched hair glass custom eyes shirt and tie

From: Odin 82
Subject: Re: Tallman
Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 09:18:09 +0100
To: > monster_asylum@live.com

Thank you for the prompt reply. Sounds very agreeable. What would the wait time be?

Thank you,
Conor

Jonathan Fuller: 18 May 2013 22.03pm
2-3 weeks. I need to order the eyes. and the hair takes my like 3-4 days


Jonathan Fuller: 19 May 2013 04.04am

please let me know if your interested in a Tallman. I can get it poured up this weekend and work on while I work on another one.

Thanks man

From: Odin 82
Subject: Re: Tallman
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 16:16:49 +0100
To: > monster_asylum@live.com

Apologies for the delay. Hmm, yes I’d absolutely love to get the Tallman. It is a fantastic sculpt. How much would the resin version be?.

Regards,
Conor

Jonathan Fuller: 19 May 2013 21.34pm
Resin would be $450 just would have to have hand laid hair cant punch.

Thanks
Jon

From: Odin 82
Subject: Re: Tallman
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 21:38:37 +0100
To: > monster_asylum@live.com

Hi again,

Which would you recommend, the latex or resin version? I’d like to get the resin version but, and is that 450 dollars for it completed?. I live in Ireland and will be happy to pay shipping expenses etc.

Thanks,
Conor


Jonathan Fuller: 19 May 2013 21.44pm
The Latex version is a bit more realistic because of the punched hair. But I have yet to do a resin finished version.
Let me find a pic of a resin head that has laid hair. so you have an idea
And yes 450 is completed resin

From: Odin 82
Subject: Re: Tallman
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 21:55:21 +0100
To: > monster_asylum@live.com

Okay, I have a better understanding now. I’d like to go with the resin version as all my other busts are latex. It would be fantastic to add your Tallman to the collection though to complete it!.

Thanks once again
Conor


Jonathan Fuller: 19 May 2013 21.58pm
When would you like to start? I take Paypal when your ready.
Thanks man


From: Odin 82
Subject: Re: Tallman
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 22:01:51 +0100
To: > monster_asylum@live.com

I’ll check how my credit card balance is tomorrow, and will send you the payment. We can work out postage at a later stage when it is ready anyway. If you’d like to send me your paypal address to send the payment, I will do it as soon as possible. Super excited about this!.

Thanks again,
Conor

Jonathan Fuller:: 19 May 2013 22.06pm
Very cool
Paypal is > Creature_sculpt@verizon.net

Thanks man

From: Odin 82
Subject: Re: Tallman
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 15:48:35 +0100
To: > monster_asylum@live.com

Would it be cool to send on partial payment, say 225 dollars, and then closer to completion I could settle the outstanding amount? Like 50% now and 50% when finished?

Thank you,
Conor

Jonathan Fuller: 20 May 2013 21.36pm
That works just fine

Thanks
Jon

From: Odin 82
Subject: Re: Tallman
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:50:27 +0100
To: > monster_asylum@live.com

Awesome. I just sent the first payment anyway. Thank you very much.

Conor

Jonathan Fuller: 20 May 2013 21.53pm
Awesome buddy. I’ll get started.

Thanks
Jon

Jonathan Fuller: 21 May 2013 01.31.am
thanks buddy got it

Jon


From: Odin 82
Subject: Re: Tallman
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 23:40:58 +0100
To: > monster_asylum@live.com

I really hope I’m not annoying you at this stage. Just inquiring, about another bust. There’s a guy trying to sell me one of your Leatherface busts also, but I’m wary. Is this one of yours? I’d love to own one of your Leatherface busts but I’d rather be sure it’s genuine, as I recall someone with a picture of one of yours, with alginate on it recasting your work in order to sell, and advertising it as latex and foam filled.

Thanks,
Conor

Jonathan Fuller: 22 May 2013 01.10am
Looks like mine. I also hate to annoy you but any chance to get the balance on tallman? I know asking a lot but I need to order the eyes which is 70 and hair which is another 30 that cut deep into that 250. If not no worries just dont want to leave myself short. This is how I make a living.
Thanks
Jon

Subject: Re: Tallman
From: Odin 82
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 01:15:42 +0100
To: > monster_asylum@live.com

No problem at all at all. Would it be okay to give it a few days though?. Would rather my credit card bill roll over onto the following month as it has been an expensive one, and it is my work business credit card I used (oops). Also awaiting a new bank card from my bank, changing from Laser Card to Visa Debit, so PayPal will accept it, so it might be sooner than I hope.

Thanks once again >

Conor

Jonathan Fuller: 22 May 2013 01.17am
cool man thanks

From: Odin 82
Subject: Re: Tallman
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 20:03:56 +0100
To: > monster_asylum@live.com

Hello again,

I sent the second payment of 225 dollars just now.

Thanks once again,
Conor

Jonathan Fuller: 28 May 2013 20.10pm
Thank you so much buddy.
I have it poured and getting ready for paint.

Jon



09/06/2013 13:38 Odin 82 Hey man, just said I’d check if you had any pics up on your FB page. The Tallman is looking great Super excited


From: Odin 82
Subject: Re: Tallman
Date: Tue, 25 June 2013 13:55
To: > monster_asylum@live.com

Hey man,

Just said I’d drop a line and see how the Tall Man bust is coming along >

Conor

Conversation started 9 June

4 August

04/08/2013 03:10 Odin 82 Hey man, I’d love to buy that Tarman. Could you do combined shipping with the Tallman bust whenever it would be ready. That is definitely the best Tarman available!


04/08/2013 03:19 Jonathan Fuller Of course I would. Sorry for the delay on tallman. Life hasn’t quit gone my way as of late… seems like one thing after another. Truly sorry And thanks for the compliment


04/08/2013 03:41 Odin 82 I love the Phantasm bust sculpt you did to bits, so there’s no rush whatsoever (I even have the suit jacket and red tie crystal waiting for it). But that Tarman one is definitely the coolest I’ve seen and it’s great to be able to witness it come to life through FB. There are are about five things I need to complete my collection, one is the Tall Man, then the Tarman from ROTLD, and here is the Holy Grail… A proper Ash from the Evil Dead (I was going to ask you how much it would be to commission that) the next is a proper Dr. Tongue from Day of the Dead, a proper Hannibal from Silence of the Lambs…and then a Werewolf in London full size. I must ask one question though… I purchased your No.10 of the Leatherface bust via a private purchase, what a kickass piece!. But unfortunately one of the eyebrows was destroyed in transportation. So I’m wondering, what would be a good glue to use to attach a new eyebrow with? It’s been about 8 years since I’ve worked with latex, so I’ve no idea which is the best tot use.


04/08/2013 04:11 Jonathan Fuller I want to redo all the pieces I did from evil dead. My favorite series. My commissions start around 3 grand for one offs. Or 1700 giving me the right to sell copies. I did evil ash henrietta and ash. Oh and evil ed

4 August

04/08/2013 11:33 Odin82 I wish I was purchasing this stuff when you were doing the Evil Dead stuff, that would have been fantastic to own. Searching everywhere for them. I’ve seen the Evil Ed one, possible the Henrietta, but never the Ash bust

4 August

04/08/2013 20:35 Jonathan Fuller I need to revisit those. Def. An ash bust

24 August

24/08/2013 17:49 Odin 82 Hey man, just wondering, how far along the Phantasm bust is? HAs it been painted?. If not, I could have it sent to Monte Ward for the paint and hairing etc. I understand how busy you must be, but I’d love to take possession of it (especially before Halloween) as I had bought it for my. If it is still blank, if I recall correctly the blank price was 250, and I paid extra for it to be painted etc, 450 I think, could deduct the shipping price from the refund, that is if it hasn’t been started yet.



24/08/2013 17:50 Odin 82 for my birthday that was meant to say *



24/08/2013 18:02 Jonathan Fuller I am really sorry for the delay. I have started painting it and would like to finish it. I had to move unexpectadly and last two mintjs have been chaotic to say the least. I am getting settled in and back on track with projects. I should have it completed by mid sept



24/08/2013 18:04 Odin 82 That would be awesome. As I said earlier, if there is a Tar Man ready to go when the Phantasm bust is complete, I’d be hoping to snag both of them in the same shipping etc. A friend has asked me to decorate our local bar for halloween, so it would be cool to have these for it. Thank again man, and sorry to disturb you



24/08/2013 18:06 Jonathan Fuller Do you want a foam filled tarman ?



24/08/2013 18:07 Odin 82Yup, one of the ones you have listed on Ebay anyway. I had been looking at the RZFX one for the past year, but could never decide whether to pull the trigger, but I’m glad I waited to decide.



24/08/2013 18:08 Jonathan Fuller Awesome man I can do that

5 October

05/10/2013 13:49 Odin 82 Sorry Jon. I’m going to have to request a refund. Back in May I thought I’d have this in the 3-4 week period you quoted. I didn’t mind waiting extra time. But now we’re in October I feel I have no other option but to request a refund.

5 October

05/10/2013 17:32 Jonathan Fuller I totally understand. And I am truly sorry. I never intended for this to happen. Unfortunately things on my end have been pretty bad. Losing my house bad and trying desperately to get back on track. Things have finally started going my way and things are looking better.
If you could just give me a couple weeks ill have it finished. I just ordered eyes and needles for hair punching. If not like I said I understand but I will have to make payments since I dont have the money readily available.
I have not had a customer wait like this and it truly sux.
9 October

09/10/2013 19:40 Odin 82 If you are sure that it could be done in a few weeks then I’d be game for waiting a bit more time. I had intended on asking you if you’d be interested in doing some Chucky heads, something that would fit a 30" or 29" poseable armature. I know a lot of guys over on the prideofchucky boards are always looking for these to be done, so there is a possible lucrative niche market for them. The closest thing someone can get is the TNGteam chucky doll over on ebay, but these aren’t the best. Just an idea I thought I’d bounce off you and see if there’d be any interest. Could be a Chucky 1, which a lot of people are after, or a Bride of chucky head etc.



09/10/2013 19:42 Jonathan Fuller I would be down. I have always wanted to do chucky. Just heard he is one character newline goes after.


9 November

09/11/2013 06:01 Odin 82 Is there any chance of having the Tall Man bust finished this year? Not to sound crude, but in all honesty… I’ve contacted Monte Ward again. He is happy to take it the way it is, and it seems he is finishing another Tall Man of yours too soon. I ordered in May and we are now in November, it’s a bit, and sorry to coin/use the english/irish term, “taking the piss”. No offence, but 6 months is fucking ridiculous.




09/11/2013 06:03 Jonathan Fuller Ill ha e it shipped out to monte end of next week. Whats his address again.



09/11/2013 06:05 Odin 82 250 for the pour, extra 200 for the finish was what we had agreed. So, whatever the shipping is, subtracted from the extra 200. I’ll email monte now for the address.



09/11/2013 06:06 Jonathan Fuller Oh shit sorry got you mixed up with a trans resin blank going to monte. Ill ha e yours don’t in two weeks Waiting on needles ro ounch hair. Ill send u an updated pic next week To punch I hate typing on a phone


25 November

25/11/2013 01:06 Odin 82 Any update? It was a resin I ordered which I remember we discussed that it was laid hair and not punched etc.



25/11/2013 01:23 Jonathan Fuller Going out to you first week of december.

Original Thread Post Below:

How Long to wait for a Purchase??
Thought it would be a good place to ask some fellow collectors for their advice.

I ordered a bust from someone, finished etc. Just like all my orders, I pay upfront, as those who I buy from have a good reputation online. Unfortunately this time, I’ve been waiting over half a year. It was a pretty straightforward bust from a mold etc. The seller seemed to have a good reputation online, so I wasn’t worried about the delay. I know some have full-time jobs and their work is done in their spare time. For me though, 6 months is pushing it, and from a bit of contact with others, I’ve heard this person can take over a year to finish an item. I don’t want to name anyone, but I’ve heard some pretty drastic stuff about this guy and his work ethic since from private discussion with some other reputable artists. It’s a bit worrying, considering I could have used the money for a holiday or something else. It seems that a lot of people have had this situation with this person - so it begs me to ask, how can people like this have a great reputation online, when away from the internet it is completely the opposite?.

What’s the longest people usually have to wait for a bust to be completed?. And what would be your cutoff point, when you’d say enough is enough?.

Thanks everyone.

People like who? It would help the answer your question pretty drastically. If you do not want to name anyone to get people’s feedback, keep in contact with them, bug em once-twice a week…When you start losing contact,…Well…

Please name him. It’s the only way to stop things like this from happening again and again. Six months is far too long in my opinion, unless you were made aware of the wait time before you purchased.

In my personal opinion, your situation is unacceptable. For me, there’s currently one, and only one, person that I would ever trust with paying in full up front and having a 6 month (or more) wait and that’s Justin/Nightowl. I’m not saying that I like that kind of a situation or wait time, but that’s the only person I would feel comfortable with that kind of wait.

Personally, I think it’s an unprofessional business practice to take so many orders from people that you can’t keep up with them in a relatively reasonable timeframe unless you’re allowing people to pay you with a credit card so a buyer has some kind of recourse if a product is never delivered.

If I pay with Paypal I am uncomfortable with a wait beyond 45 days for a given item due to that being the limit to the window Paypal allows a buyer to file a case againstthe person the money was paid to.

What’s a relatively reasonable time frame? Well, it’s whatever timeframe was communicated to a buyer by a seller prior to money actually being exchanged. Too many people, whether it’s this hobby, Star Wars stuff, Predator suits, Alien suits, Iron Man armor, Halo armor, replica movie props, etc, tell a buyer one thing about a timeframe & then it drastically changes after money is exchanged. Too often it just turns into the seller holding the buyer hostage or just flat out never sending anything.

I wish everyone would employ Chris/Wickid Mask’s business practice of a minimal deposit up front with the remaining payment due only when the mask is ready to ship out. That’s the best of both worlds. The seller gets some confidence that the buyer is legit because they’re willing to pay $25 or so up front and the buyer gets some confidence that they didn’t just send $300, $400, $500, etc up front and may possibly never get what they sent that money for. For a seller, sure sometimes buyers back out, but if that were to happen in that situation the seller already has $25 to keep & still has a finished item to sell to someone else or put up on eBay.

I think that if a seller can’t produce and deliver an item within a month or so then I personally think they shouldn’t be taking orders continually unless they operate on a deposit basis, either that or make the items in advance so that they are ready to go if/when an order is received.

Generally sellers manage to get away with the kind of stuff you are experiencing because people just put up with it because they want whatever the item is so badly that they’re willing to get jacked around as long as they actually end up getting what they wanted eventually.

Only you can decide your cutoff point, but at this point if you paid via paypal you really have no good recourse other than continually asking the seller what the situation is & when to expect a finished item. If you paid by credit card you could always contact your credit card company and open a case…

Again, these are only my opinions

Great points you make. It really is the hostage scenario with situations like this. However, worst case scenario, I could name the person, and for me, that would be worth the value of the money spent. Plus it would act as a warning to other people who intend on giving this artist business. I googled the name many times, and it was all good things. Nothing bad… zero. It was when I started inquiring around that people told me completely the opposite. It’s a shame that there’s not any instrument where people can leave reviews, positive and negative about people they have done business with etc. If I had heard what I heard after the fact, I’d have never engaged with this person. I know there are a couple of members here in the same situation with this person, and some have waited even longer than I have. It’s just a ridiculous situation to be in.

I hear ya.

We do have the ability to leave positive & negative feedback here in the two feedback sections. However, unfortunately, not every site dedicated to a hobby similar to ours has such a section. Just as an example, I am amazed that the RPF (replica prop forum) doesn’t have a feedback section seeing as how massive their member base is & how many transactions are generated between their members in their classified section.

Also, unfortunately, even though we have such feedback sections here, sometimes people choose to keep quite about things like this for fear of possible backlash from either the person they are leaving feedback about or other people who blindy support their favorite maker/seller.

Just keeping the thread updated for record / timeline. Not long after I posted here and listened to the people that posted, I said enough is enough and asked the guy for a refund. He said he could pay me back in installments, but that he would have it done in a few weeks. I said okay, as long as it is done in the next couple of weeks. I believe that was the 2nd of October. It is now the 30th of October. I believe the shit is going to hit the fan on this one, so it’s best to keep this thread up to date for reference sake.

Right, lets make this thread more interesting lets play a game of Hangman The winner loses me what I paid, but yet helps out the community


Eight characters for the first name _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SiX characters for the surname _ _ _ _ _ _

I bet I can guess right now…ill start w a j on the first line and an f on the second line

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J _ _ _ _ _ _ _ F _ _ _ _ _

Do u want me to fill in the rest? Ive dealt w him too. U will get ur stuff but it will be a hassle and a wait.

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He has friends here, respected members, who I have no doubt will keep him appraised of the situation if or when it comes to a head. No one ever reacts kindly to them being criticised, and usually lash back as if they have done nothing wrong. I didn’t create this thread to cause one of these situations like ones sees on FB where one person has to resort to calling out a person they paid to do something to get a result. It’s very consoling to know that there is at least one person here that recognises the scenario. Being quoted 3 - 4 weeks was cool, waiting 2 months was cool, six months, that’s not cool at all. I was told this guy can take up to a year… a year!

Now that I know who you’re talking about, I’ll echo what has been said a few times already. You’ll get your items, but it will be a royal pain doing so. He will tell you time and time again that it will be finished by the end of the week, but until you get nasty about it, he will simply drag his feet. I could have sworn that I posted some negative feedback about him here, but in searching, the results only go back to 2009. I can’t remember exactly when I dealt with him, but it must have been before that. Just keep on him. Good luck! Oh, and I’ll add the last letters, J _ _ _ _ _ _ N F _ _ _ _ R.

Thanks guys for the support / advice / re-ensuring. When it comes to collecting I have a bit of an OCD, just like the most of us collectors. So when it comes to things like this, it’s hard to know if one is being over-eager / over-anxious etc. I’ve done a lot of business with guys in the community. I’m usually a lurker, prefer and enjoy seeing other collections, stories, pictures etc. Back in August I was about to drop 5K on a full size American Werewolf from Magee FX. They quoted me 3/4/5 weeks before they’d have it done. They have a great great great reputation and fantastically helpful guys to deal with, and I know that it would have been done well within that time scale, but the experience I’ve been going through, even though it’s a fraction of the price, turned me off it (temporarily I hope). No one wants to get burnt once. I never really realised it, but one bad situation can also cost other companies business. I guess unfortunately at the moment for me, and not to sound over dramatic, it’s the whole “one bad apple spoils the whole bunch”.

i had this same thing happen to me but i waited 8 months for my mask. ordered it march 16 got it oct 28, and it was from one of the top mask makers ever, he was very unprofessional, didnt email asking how i wanted it painted, or telling my he got my money, so after a week or so i contacted him, he was very short in his response, so i would email him every month or so asking for an update, and after 6 months he told me he made it wrong…and then asked if i still wanted it WTF are you kidding me…ya send me the mask that i paid a shit load of money for that is made NOT the way i like it. So then i had to email him again asking if i was going to even get it before Halloween, he said of course he was mailing it out the week before. Another lie from this guy. So i contacted him the friday before halloween and he said it was going out this weekend, so then i get a conformation from him and usps that it was shipped, and that he stayed up working on it all night and mailed it out saturday. Nothing like waiting until the last minute when you have had 8 months to get it done. Granted the mask is all that i hoped for but im not sure if these guys have a tight click, or you have to spend tons of money to get your shit on time but its bullshit, just because your the best guy out there doesnt mean you have the right to treat paying customers like like shit. I will never do business this this douche again…and the only guy i will pay in full is Chris Zephro from tots.

No one will ever come out and admit it, but it’s absolutley a tight clique thing. There’s an unwritten, unsaid, unspoken good ol boys club and there is absolutely preferential treatment for people behind the scenes over all ends of the spectrum.

Personally, I think artists like this should be named & shamed.

Artists usually aren’t good time keepers lol. But when I am working on something for someone and I know it’s not going to be ready for a while I will not have them pay anything until I’m done, or they can pay a deposit of some sort and pay the rest later. I figure if they don’t want it by then, then I can sell it to someone else who does. But I usually refuse full payment until the project is finished. Unless there are alot of upfront costs for me to do it.

But ya I would never wait that long for someone to do something for me and that I already paid in full unless they told me before hand it would take that long.

Yep i agree…and the bad thing for them is that me and my wife make damn good money and i was willing to put up a lot of cash for a bunch of masks, but now i wont even think about it, i might purchase a few, from other members that have a good name. I saw people getting masks from this guy a month after they were released, and im still six months behind, this guy even blocked my email after i received my mask, and i think as far as outing them i agree…but then it goes back to the tight clique…next thing you know you are banned from the site!!!

It’s great to see some people come out and reinforce this mentality, both artists and purchasers. It’s one thing that really does bring people together, sharing bad experiences, especially when the majority here is all fantastic/great experiences. The reason why I posted here initially, is because, the Myers community are pretty well, one of the most stand-up, and most importantly, the most critical of the bunch. If something is great (going by the FB page), people will give credit where credit is due. On the turn of the die, the people that disagree will still criticise, but still give credit where it is due, (i.e. the TOTS mask, kickass mask for a mass produced item, and a kickass price. No snobbery etc It gets acknowledgment as being the best for the mass market).

There are a lot of indie makers here, who value peoples’ criticism (not in a bad way, for the most part criticism can lead to improvements), so it leads to improvement in products which is welcomed by both the producer and customer, as one can see going by the prices of lets say the NAG. It’s a pretty well tight community here. The independent makers, in this economic climate, it is probably their main source of income (sadly, given the talent of these artists). It’s not like we’re paying 15 dollars for something. We’re usually paying 200 dollars onwards etc. It breaks my heart to think that I’ve probably spent 15K over the last 12 months on stuff my friends think I’m crazy for , especially when it comes to a situation like this. I felt comfortable sending money on trust to a person for something, something that is probably more than a weeks wages to most of my friends, who see that money as pay that will finance their only holiday of the year with their loved one, before returning to work for 49 - 50 weeks of more work.

As I said, beforehand, all i heard was great reviews. It was only after one-to-one interaction with people, stuff that’s not available on a forum, that I learnt, I seemed to have made a mistake . Apologies if this message sounded long/drawn out and contrived, but it does sum up how I feel. We spend this money because we work our asses off, no matter how crazy our friends think we are, because we want to own this stuff, because it makes us happy to have in our collection. To see someone taking advantage of this, something that makes us happy as OCD collectors, I’m sorry, but that is just fucking exploitative.