My understanding is Castle was chosen for 2 reasons… because he was a friend of Carpenter, and secondly his distinctive walk. Apparently, Tommy Lee Wallace said it was because Nick had a natural way of moving in a very smooth, flowing way that just caught their eye. And as John Carpenter himself said, “To make Michael Myers scary, I had him walk like a man, instead of a monster.” This is a reference to the famous moment when Nick went up to Carpenter, and asked “how should I walk?” To which John simply replied. “Nick, just walk.” From what I’ve heard, Nick was also a dancer, as his father was a dancer as well. This explains his distinctive smooth, flowing movements.
John carpenter said he picked him because he had a graceful way of walking.
Nick castles father was a hollywood dancer/choreographer that worked with fred astaire.
So little things were nicks doing/acting like the way he turns his head and sits up after Laurie stabs him.
Debra hill explained it in the Halloween unmasked documentary.
Its good acting, just the way he walked, his posture without a mask you could tell the character is schizophrenic
or mentally ill just buy the way he stood and moved around
Michael Jackson would have made a great Myers because of his dancing skills then. Probably moonwalk after laurie
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Very interesting. I would of never dreamed Castle was a dancer. :myers: I also noticed how JJC has that smooth flowing movement going on too. Nick Castle trained him well.
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JJC didn’t actually learn directly from Castle, he goes about it in a completely different way
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The best way to walk like Myers is to Bob your head as little as possible. Normally when you walk you bob your head just a little. If you try to walk smoothly, with as little head movement as possible, it looks pretty good
It works well for a test
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Very interesting. I would of never dreamed Castle was a dancer. :myers: I also noticed how JJC has that smooth flowing movement going on too. Nick Castle trained him well.
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JJC only good person they got the rest of cast was garbage for except for a few they will never get 78 magic again unless they hire me :mrgreen:
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Very interesting. I would of never dreamed Castle was a dancer. :myers: I also noticed how JJC has that smooth flowing movement going on too. Nick Castle trained him well.
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JJC only good person they got the rest of cast was garbage for except for a few they will never get 78 magic again unless they hire me :mrgreen:
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Doesn’t work that way in the industry, you need connections and an agent
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Very interesting. I would of never dreamed Castle was a dancer. :myers: I also noticed how JJC has that smooth flowing movement going on too. Nick Castle trained him well.
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Doesn’t work that way in the industry, you need connections and an agent
[/quote] Yea unfortunate that’s how it does work but i have a bad feeling about Halloween kills
they’re bringing back the scene killer, Julian for the next 2 films, but honestly, I can care less about the story, I just go to see Myers, all of us are gonna do that as fans anyway
that’s true and JCC is awesome Myers so we know well getting that at least
Myers isn’t schizophrenic or mentally ill. He’s the embodiment of pure evil. That’s why Loomis couldn’t reach him. Rob’s crappy version, on the other hand…
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If you watch the “Halloween unmasked” documentary its even on youtube.
John carpenter tells a story where his class vistied a mental asylum, and he saw an 11-12 yr old boy.
He said the kid had a schizophrenic stare and he was just sitting there with dead eyes staring out the window.
It made it into the movie, and inspired the devils eyes speech by Dr loomis
Except that’s literally the point of the movie. He is mentally ill. Maybe not schizo, but the way he moves, the way he stares, the way he acts. That’s not something a healthy mind does. Remember as well that Loomis is a psychiatrist from the 1970s. He grew up in an age where lobotomies were still performed with regularity, and electroconvulsive shock therapy was considered a safe and humane practice.
Loomis calls Michael Evil, not because he’s literally the embodiment of evil itself. It’s because Michael Myers’ mental diagnosis defies medical standards of the time, defies conventional logic, defies sanity and reason, conscience and reasoning, right or wrong. It’s more metaphorical than literal. It’s no wonder no one took him seriously when he’d rant and rave about a 6 year old child who he basically equated to Satan himself.
Well said.
Interesting. I don’t think Myers is mentally ill. There’s no rational explanation for what he is.
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Your reading is incorrect. Loomis speaks in Carpenter’s words. He intended for Michael to be the Boogeyman, not just a mentally-ill human being. Your take is Rob Zombie’s.
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Not really. John Carpenter’s intent was for The Shape to be evil on two legs, purely and simply that. The Boogeyman. Michael Myers himself was always a mentally ill psycho, little more than a 6 year old boy found in the front yard of his childhood house with a bloody knife and a dead sister. People like Michael Myers do exist IRL in the sense of those patterns of behaviour. Those behaviours from Michael scared Loomis to the point that he no longer saw Michael Myers as his patient to take care of. He saw him as evil, both in the literal and metaphorical sense; he wasn’t a man in a mask, let alone his patient, but something more. Hell, the fact that Loomis in H2 1981 straight up monologues about “tribes”, Celtic rituals, and Samhain to anyone who will listen is just proof of that alone; again, it’s no wonder why no one took Loomis seriously when he talked about his own patient that he was meant to be helping like that.
We know Michael Myers is mentally ill simply by the way he acts; his behaviours have clearly definable patterns, most notably in the broadest sense: voluntary catatonia and voluntary mutism, voyeurism and stalking, going home, killing on Halloween night, wearing a one-piece suit and a mask to do his killing in, putting his victims’ bodies on display. The way he walks and moves is like a predator. That is not normal, healthy behaviour patterns, and those kinds of behaviours altogether are quite convincing rationale to try and rationalize him as evil instead of trying to actually understand what’s going on in his head (we don’t need to, narratively speaking). You can be both evil and mentally ill. But he defies psychological understanding. He defies the conventions of what it means to be mentally ill, both at the time and now (Sartain had 15 clinical psychiatrists, not including himself and Doctor Loomis, actually attempt to figure him out, and each one had differing diagnoses). I don’t respect Rob Zombie’s take explicitly because it gives us too much information on the “why” and “who” of Michael Myers the person, and what his motivations are, but Rob Zombie did one thing right in putting it to rest that Michael Myers IS mentally ill.
And, of course, John Carpenter’s primary inspiration was seeing a 14, 15 year old give him that blank, pale, emotionless stare in the bowels of a psych ward. Checkmate.
Michael IS NOT a Psychotic human, he’s only a force of nature, people take this far too seriously and try way too hard to humanize fiction