Think about them recasting the inside- it makes sense in theory. Pour plaster into the inside of the hock, take it out, drill a few holes, thereâs your buck. It would make more sense for them to do what you said though.
The FS / JDF âStyle Aâ and âBâ blanks all derive from a mask used in promotional material for Part V. The detail on both these blanks and DMC masks should match to confirm any lineage. I agree with Jason, if the DMC does derive from original source material, it has been heavily resculpted to the point of no longer sharing significant details with the movie masks. Iâm glad he offers them, theyâre a great option, but it seems we have better molds available.
If it were a vacuumformed mask, especially a part 3/4 type clear ones without texture on the inside that would make perfect sense, but I feel like a fiberglass maskâs inside would not necessarily be a great indication of the maskâs outer shape except in the most general of the contours because of the layers creating unever thicknesses. But definitely I do think recasting took place during part 5.
I like the plate lookâŚit looks more Friday 5 that way.
I remember way back when David found the buck; I talked to him a bunch about it. (He needed reference photos of the masks markings and I had photos I scanned for him.) At first, David wasnât sure which part it was forâŚand then he wrote about having the earlier mask and making a cast off of it. I asked if the masks were fiberglass or other and he said fiberglass. I told several people this and got ripped apart on Nightowl because of itâŚbut, I knew I was right.
I seen 2 top artistâs masksâŚmasks people were clamoring all over and then I got them in-person and they were so small. Too small actually. The DMC is BIG and feel right. Iâve held Crashâs masks and they feel right too. If we we start talking about 3 or 4 generationsâŚwe start missing it. A lot of the problems consist of people saying they cast theirâs off a movie mask when in actualityâŚitâs not. You can have all of the indentations, holes and everything but if the size isnât 100% correct on a regular human headâŚwell, it looks more stupid on a undermask.
Great post and outstanding dialogue, thanks guys. Been looking at a DMC part 6 for a little while as in the pictures it appears to maybe not be as wide as other 6s on the market. I have a Nightowl Maggothead that just gets swallowed up by any other 6 hocks I put on it. Auz, Crash, Brazier- they all fit my busts fine and look right, but not on the Nightowl. Anyway, good conversation and information, thanks!
While I agree that the size is real nice, Iâm with Jo on this. The old Frightstuff / â88 Productionâ buck is most likely what was used in Part 5. The hole indentations where the snap rivets were is a very important detail. Along with some of the contour issues (nose, eyes, forhead, width/overall shape) it has been difficult to convince me otherwise. That said, Iâm not all out denying the plausibility of Davidâs story. I just hope we can deduce something from further study.
Iâm very curious to hear more about these fiberglass masks from the movie. I do remember hearing this story back in the day. I wonder if they made any screen time?
Are there any photographs of an â88 Productionâ blank or buck? Why is it most likely what was used in part 5? This information is all new to me so forgive me for all of the questions. I asked David if the fiberglass ones made screen time and he didnât reply yet.
Ken Tarallo of Frightstuff appeared in the community in the mid 2000s with a series of blank castings he said were from a 1988 production mold. He had a stock of blanks from the vacuum forming demonstrations he did throughout the late 80s and 90s. When Ken opened Fright Stuff, he claimed his buck was from the original 1982 production. Over the years, most people who have interest in what generation mold their props come from determined that claim was impossible.
We have connected Kenâs mold to this mask, known currently as the âMystery Maskâ. It can be dated back to the production of Part 5 from a TV spot for the film. A lot of people speculate it could be an original 1982 mask from the production of Part 3. However, the Frightstuff blanks and the â88 production blanksâ that came from Kenâs buck retain surface and paint details from this mask. This confirms that a mold was made of this mask. Whether it was used for Part 5 or not is still a mystery, but we at least know they used this buck in the late 80s for those demonstrations. I still believe Ken obtained the mold after the production of Part 7 for those demonstrations.
I canât quite make the claim that this is âmost likelyâ what was used, but it does answer some questions for me. My current theory is that this âMystery Maskâ could possibly be dated back to 1982. That David Miller Studios obtained this mask and made a buck from it (thus the cheek marks where the snaps should be, the poorly rendered hole where the would be axe cut is, etc.).
Jo is implying that JDF blanks are the best option on the market because they most likely derive from one of these â1988 production blanksâ Ken entered the scene with. Not only that, but if youâve owned a well drilled and cut âBlank Aâ from Jeff, you know that the shape and detail is impeccable for Part 5: https://www.instagram.com/p/rUyiX_mDAo/?taken-by=themaskgallery
I own one of these blanks Ken sold when he first appeared I think on the HMA forum but I could be mistaken. I believe he said they were leftover from the production of Part 7 when they were doing tests or something like that? My memory is a little foggy about that but I know this was from his original sale thread before he started making new blanks and creating fright stuff. Mine is white and smooth inside, still not drilled and uncut from the vacuform sheet.
Are these pulls considered the correct size? The only other hockey mask Iâve owned was a fibreglass mask from Gates of Hell studios made a long time ago, I believe recast from a screen used mask but not sure from which film.
So youâre thinking that the Mystery mask was made during part 3, and this is the mask that David filled the split of and cast in fiberglass for Part 5, then recast for a buck to make the ABS ones for part 5 from? Also, what poorly rendered hole are you speaking of? I havenât been able to point it out in the film hock or the JDF style A.
Thatâs why weâve nicknamed them â1988 production blanksâ, but they definitely were not made on set. There are only 2 masks featured in the entire film, what reason would they have for 20 blanks in all different colors? These were most likely from those demonstrations I mentioned. He shared a photo of one of these demos. He even claimed it was taken in 1982, but surely enough there was a Part 7 cut blank in the photo.
I canât answer your question about size, because we arenât quite sure what Kenâs buck is or was used for. Itâs clearly a recast of the Mystery Mask, but when that mask was made is still uncertain. I can only assume itâs size accurate for Part 7, but couldnât confirm any of the other films.
Gates of Hell masks from Shayne were allegedly cast from a Part 6 production mask. Still to this day, nothing seems to beat those for Part 6. I owned an ABS version from the buck he made, and I was very disappointed it didnât match the detail very well. Those fiberglass ones were special.
Great information, thank you for clarifying!
The part 6 is what I have as well! I love the fibreglass, feels more authentic even though it isnât. Great for display but I can see why it would be a pain for wearing.
To the person who asked for a picture, I just moved and everything is still boxed up but Iâll try to track it down! Might take a while but Iâll quote you and post it in here.
myerspimp81, those GOHS Jason Lives fiberglass masks were beautiful! Would love to see some photographs when youâre able!
I have a private photograph of the screen used Final Chapter mask being measured by the current owner, and I must say, JDF blanks are very close to the size of the original masks. I am shocked, I was under the impression JDFâs were much smaller.
I have the same photo and I had no clue that his masks were so close. I know Crashâs are pretty much dead on, but I was also under the impression that JDFâs were much smaller too.
BTW, Miller recently identified this mask as a probable pull by his company back in the 1980âs. As you can see it does not strongly resemble one of his DMC Roys, but looks just like what is on screen in terms of the lower holes and shape of the jawline.
I wasnât sure if we should make that photo public, but it couldnât hurt. I did a photo overlay last night. I just donât know how weâre talking about this in 2017. Davidâs masks are great, but there are blatantly obvious problems with it. Itâs not even just the curve of the mask or the holes either. The basic anatomy is completely different. I couldnât see a possible scenario that this derives from a movie mask we have knowledge of. My guess is that itâs an original sculpt.
