H1 & H2 Soundtracks Comparisons; an in-depth analysis

Both YouTube audio aids are up!
Halloween: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca9ibQO0-nQ
Halloween II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6n7Y6obc48

With one week left before Halloween, I present my two “gifts” for my new buds in the Michael-Myers.net community. I spent a lot of thought, effort, and time into making this happen, and I know for sure you guys will appreciate it.

My passion for audio has become a big part of my life. The first aspect that attracted me to the Halloween series was the music. I love Halloween and Halloween II. Naturally, I own both the original Varèse Sarabande soundtracks and the “Anniversary” soundtracks for each, but I feel the need to explain and show the differences.

First of all, if you want to use an H1 or H2 soundtrack to listen to the music, play at a Halloween party, or provide background music for Trick-or-Treaters, always use an original Varèse Sarabande soundtrack. These are the highest quality and most musically rounded/accurate of the scores in H1 & H2. Only use the H1 or H2 Anniversary soundtracks if you absolutely cannot find a physical copy or even a burned copy of an original Varèse Sarabande release.

Both “Anniversary” soundtracks were remastered by some dude named James Nelson at Digital Outland in Tacoma, WA, who was recruited by Alan Howarth, producer for original scores and for the Anniversary releases. Listener, beware! The sound is incredibly inferior to the original releases. They have a “dry” feel and significantly less bass frequencies. On top of this, the 30th Anniversary of H2 also lacks dynamics, utilizes too much compression, and is heavily normalized.

Now, so you can visually see and hear what I’m talking about, below are links to uncompressed audio YouTube comparisons and 6 side-by-side stereo wave analysis images for both H1 & H2…

Halloween, 1978

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca9ibQO0-nQ

Halloween: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack vs Halloween: 20th Anniversary Edition, remastered
Varèse Sarabande VCD 47230 vs Varèse Sarabande VSD-5970


Both were released under Varèse Sarabande. The anniversary feels like alternate takes almost, there’s subtle performance differences.

Halloween Theme

Look at those bass frequencies thump, thump, thump throughout the entire track on the original, literally nonexistent on the remaster, which is cut short to include some creepy unreleased dialogue by young children. At least the remaster has some dynamics going for it, but it’s pretty much steamrolled by the original’s thunderous power, intensity, and sharpness.

Laurie’s Theme / Halloween 1978

Again, massive dynamic difference. The piano feels muffled in the remaster, suffers dynamic loss, and is missing a few harmony tracks, making it much less engaging/atmospheric. The original cut so eeriely smooth and perfectly accented, one can get the creeps just by listening to it. Also, the original cut goes into the other half of the theme whereas “Halloween 1978” picks up the pieces from the track “Laurie Knows” on the original release.

Meyers’ House / The Haunted House *Yes, shamefully spelled “Meyers’ House” on the original release

“Meyers’ House” is trimmed for easier comparison
Actually, there is a track called “The Haunted House” on the original but I guess they confused names during the remastering, it’s not the same audio. Again, the remaster has some dynamics going for it but just look at the original’s dynamics, more bass frequencies too. The remaster is again cut short and also leaves out the infamous brake drum sound, …ting, ting… … ting, ting…

Michael Kills Judith / Halloween 1963

The intro cattle prod is much softer in the remaster, and strangely goes right into the piano melody instead of the cliffhanger strings. The ‘Judith stabbed’ stinger is a bit more intense on the remaster actually, but includes her whimpering and crying, for good or bad. As a whole though, the original is much more intense with the strings throughout, the piano has more articulation, and its bass notes are more upfront/prominent.

The Shape Lurks / The Shape Stalks Laurie (first “creeping” track)

They call the tracks whatever they want on the remaster :unamused:, confusing them left and right. Anyway, for the most part, this is pretty close comparison. The original has slightly more bite on the piano and more sting to the eigth notes, but the remaster piano has stronger piano accents. Unfortunately, the remaster does not have the massive earthquake bass frequencies the original does towards the end of the track, which will rock the shit out of you if your system is bass/sub heavy. I wouldn’t be surprised if people have blown speakers because of these frequencies :laughing: but yeah, these low frequencies are ESSENTIAL to a rock-solid listening experience.

The Shape Stalks / Last Assault (second “creeping” track)

Again, I guess remembering track names was too hard while making the remaster. The remaster track is cut in half, for what, so more dialogue could be put in? Not only is “The Shape Stalks” longer than “The Shape Lurks”, it has additional ear-piercing strings that deliver an eerie dissonant harmony and even more earth-shattering bass frequencies. The remaster just took everything amazing/unique about the material on this track and threw it out the window!

BOTTOM LINE
Don’t get me wrong, the '98 remaster is semi-interesting to own with its additional dialogue and whatnot. In comparison to the original release though, it’s simply a novelty item that is nowhere near the ranks of audio quality the original is.


Halloween II, 1981

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6n7Y6obc48

Halloween II: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack vs Halloween II: 30th Anniversary Edition, remastered
Varèse Sarabande VCD 47152 vs Alan Howarth INC AHICD 005


A premature “anniversary” date, fairly off. By movie release, it should have been either 28th Anniversary or released in 2011; just a quick cash-in. While at first glance, and like many remasters of today’s age, the wave forms in this Howarth remaster look and are bigger than the original. This is called the “Loudness War” and it can make music sound like shit, just like I’m going to show you how it affects this instance! In the YouTube video comparison, the Howarth remaster samples were lowered 6dB for appropriate volume comparison.

Halloween Theme

The dynamic difference is massive, unbelievable really, similar to H1’s theme. Except for the very beginning and end, there’s no crescendos/decrescendos in the remaster, no gusto. Plenty of dynamics and a lot more bass frequencies on the original, which just destroys the remaster, it’s no contest.

Laurie’s Theme

Flat compression across the entire track on the remaster, not a lick of dynamics the original slaps you with.

He Knows Where She Is!

This is one Mr. Nelson should be absolutely ashamed of, this track is just trash on the remaster, just look at the difference! Absolutely no effort invested in the remastering.

Laurie and Jimmy

Ignore the locate bar in the original track at the end
The middle and end have way more bass frequencies on the original. The excessive compression on the remaster’s high frequencies is like grinding nails on a chalk board, at least for me…

The Shape Stalks Again

Again, the remaster is compressing and normalizing everything, losing all clarity, punch, sharpness… Just like the last track, a LOT more bass is happening here.

Mr. Sandman

I pretty much laughed my ass off over this. This is the ONLY track that sounds better on the remaster, :laughing:! Barnaby Records must have provided a cleaned-up or remastered version for Mr. Nelson, one thing he couldn’t screw up. Obviously, he didn’t touch it, because it has plenty of dynamics and no normalization. The original release is rough and rockin’ plenty of vinyl pop & hiss, makes the track creepier honestly.

BOTTOM LINE
Inconsistent compression, heavy normalization, and questionable sound engineering plague the remaster, which pales in comparison to the original’s superb quality.


So, what did we learn today? The original Varèse Sarabande soundtracks are better than the “Anniversary” soundtracks. I’m not sure what Howarth is thinking as a producer or what qualifications James Nelson has a sound engineer (extremely questionable), but “remaster” is definitely NOT always a good thing. What do you think?

I guess I feel vindicated. This was all stated when I first heard the differences.
https://forum.michael-myers.net/t/holy-hell-limited-halloween-ii-81-soundtrack-coming-soon/29138/79

https://forum.michael-myers.net/t/holy-hell-limited-halloween-ii-81-soundtrack-coming-soon/29138/91

I’m glad you were able to finally hear the differences as well.

great post, man. I’m proud to have the original H1 and H2 soundtracks, but this makes me feel even better about having them. and just to brag, I also have the VS H1 soundtrack on vinyl… mint condition :mrgreen: I did get suckered into buying that 30th anniversary edition of H2 for 30 bucks after shipping, mainly because I think Alan Howarth is a pretty cool guy. but when I got my CD, I notice that many of the tracks, especially the ones that center around the Myers House theme, they sound very scratchy. I’m no audio expert, so I don’t know the technical terms to describe the distortion I’ve been hearing. but it does occur a lot throughout. has anyone else noticed this? I would expect better from Mr. Howarth, but now it all makes better sense after you revealed it wasn’t even him who personally remastered it all. as far as the '98 20th anniversary H1 soundtrack, I think it’s great. it’s more stripped down, like the original mixes done for the movie. but if you do want more of a surround-sound experience with the main theme, yeah stick with the '85 VS version. I just wish that while Alan was working on it, that he would’ve included a track of the main theme in it’s original form, without all the extra tracks and effects he added to it in the remixing process.

Great post.

The differences are definitely audible and apparent.

The originals have a full “warm” sound and the remakes are too “bright” and “flat” in various parts.

AWESOME post dude. You clearly point out the differences, and you can tell from the waveforms how much over compression (which I think is ALL) that’s been applied to these “new” tracks. I’m glad I have both, and I have to say I was quite dissapointed in the Halloween II “anniversary” edition. But hey, what can you do?!?!? :confused:

Great post Logan!! H1 sound is definitely better than H2, but, H2 visual is better than H1.

Very interesting post man! I never knew there were so many differences. Thanks a lot for the information… Have a great Halloween!

-Adam

The best damn post I’ve read in a long time (dealing with film scores that is). I knew my ear’s weren’t lying to me. If you sit there and listen to your music while wearing head phones you will not only hear the difference but you can feel it.
I’ve had talks with a good friend of mine who does music for TV, video games, and independent movies, and we both agree the sound quality from the past is much better than the present. This remastered stuff only benefits poorly recorded music (like Mr. Sandman). I’ve bought other remastered albums from singers and other film scores and you can clearly tell the depth of the music is lost in this new form.

I am thankful Mr. Howarth reissues these albums for a new Generation of fans to listen to but I have the admit the old school quality isn’t there anymore in the music. I just hope Halloween 4,5,6 gets a better re-release in the near future. Here’s some food for thought if you already own Halloween 4 and 5 score, listen to them and tell me if you think Halloween 5’s music sounds cheaper sounding than part 4’s music.

Thanks again for taking the time to teach the masses my friend. The world needs more people like you. :smiley:

Great post, i never bought the Re-Masters anyways…i like the vintage sound.its suppose to sound like that…just like Peter Frampton Live sounds better on vinly then CD…Great post!!! happy halloween

mike

yeah its strange that the remastered editions actually have a worse proiduction. like you said that doesnt say much for the engineer behind the board.

Thanks for all the comments everyone! I will get to some replies soon after I finish up some more work up here.

The first comparison video is up (H2 comparison), the link posted in the H2 portion. Make sure you crank up the volume on some decent speakers, headphones, monitors, etc… The audio in the videos is uncompressed (for your listening pleasure) so loading may be a bit longer than normal. YouTube has failed the upload (“encountered an error”) of the H1 video 2 times already :unamused: hopefully will be up soon!

Amazing post! Can def hear and see the difference. I would like to see the difference in the original vs. RZ’s version. See if there are any changes at all!

wasn’t the original soundtrack remixed by John Carpenter and Alan Howrath I would like to see a comparison of what it sounds like in the film vs. the original and the 20th anniversary edition. I believe that the 20th anniversary edition is what is heard like in the film.

Very interesting post HOWEVER, I always noticed that the recordings even from the original Varese Sarabande release were never the actual recordings from the film. I never heard the “Thump, Thump”, of the base from the theme till I got the soundtrack.

I do actually have one mp3 of the ORIGINAL recording of the “Repise Theme” I found on soulseek a while back- without the thump, never heard any other original recording tracks, something to think about…

Great post man.

This is an awesome post and I can’t believe you went through all the work of checking this out! Amazing, that’s all I can say!

I never owned the original Halloween soundtrack that was released, I’ve only got the remastered version and I think it sounds great. I guess I need the original to compare it to.

Now I do have the original version of the Halloween 2 soundtrack on CD. Honestly though, I got my remastered version a few weeks ago and wasn’t impressed with it at all. It seemed a little toned down from how the original sounded and the Suite tracks… don’t even get me started on them. I thought they were terrible, they just had music overlapping one another and it made it very un-enjoyable to listen to. And what was with the Michael Myers breathing, it sounded more like a respirator a diver would use. I wish they would have done something similar to how they did the Halloween remaster, put some actual movie dialog into the CD. Just my 2 cents here, I think that the original version of the music sound a whole lot better.

James

Both YouTube audio aids are up! :mrgreen: Let me know what you guys think of those, sorry 'bout the load times on them

jacksparrow900 & rlehlinger, I believe you are correct. The 20th Anniversary is in fact more initially accurate to the original film. Funny thing is though, the actual original audio used in the film is mono! (Of course, many DVD releases and the Blu-ray release have input other dialogue and audio tracks since then) Because of this, in 1985 Carpenter went back in the studio with his good friend Dan Wyman and remixed it into stereo with Howarth. Before the film was out, Carpenter originally only had 2 weeks of studio time to complete the score, so he probably felt pretty rushed the first time around. He doesn’t comment this on the inner sleeve, but by putting these facts together, I would assume the Original Motion Picture Soundtrack from '85 was the product of Carpenter’s true intentions for his film.

Debatable of course, but that’s what it’s all about!

DeLoreanDMC81, supposedly those “breathing tracks” were to be included in the film, something Howarth really wanted to put in, but was denied. Can’t say I’m a fan of it either. If anything, they should have done the “breathing heavily under the mask” montage at the end of H1 for H2 as well.

ZST, I AM jealous of your vinyl pressing. Mint too, eh? Lucky! That definitely would have been interesting to compare as well :wink:

“in 1985 Carpenter went back in the studio with his good friend Dan Wyman and remixed it into stereo with Howarth.”

Where did you hear of this? The original mag elements for dialogue, music and sound effects were found by Anchor Bay at NBC after Don May and myself told Jay Douglas where they were; Douglas was president of Anchor Bay Home Entertainment; they still had them from readying the movie for the TV broadcast premier in 1981. Howath transferred them at Chase sound in Burbank in 1997/98 for the Anniversary CD and DVD.

Also, Carpenter had 3 days to compose the music from Halloween. (John Carpenter, Prince of Darkness by Gilles Boulenger 2001 interview for his book)

The 1985 Soundtrack was put out because of his relationship with Varese. What you hear on that soundtrack re-recording, all the instruments and musical changes, was what Carpenter thought people wanted to hear.

I’m just a fan, connecting dot-to-dot, I assumed this from what was described within the insert and from some material I read online. Wyman is credited for synthesizer programming on the '85 release and so is Howarth for mixing it down to stereo. Why would they be credited on a release they had no work on? Hence, “they went back” and worked together again for the '85 release. I wasn’t present during the production of the '85 release, anyone who was can rebuke my assumption.

“The scoring sessions took two weeks because that’s all the budget would allow.”, quoted directly from Carpenter within the liner notes of the '85 OST. Recording, dubbing, and mixdown sessions are separate entities, some which took place in July of that year. Could have been interpreted wrong by the interviewer(s), who knows, only John Carpenter would know…

I don’t believe neither that nor my thoughts on his intentions are documented anywhere (to my knowledge), so yeah, it’s all totally debatable, and that’s what this is about! I can see the perspective in that way, maybe Carpenter got locked into the release and was doing it for others, maybe he was expressing how he truly felt the score should be been, etc…

My information comes from Tom Null, if you know anything about Varese, you know whom I’m talking about. Second, I’ve spoken with Dan Wyman…his contact with Carpenter past 1982 has been very minimal. He was accredited with the ‘Halloween’ soundtrack because he originally helped John with the score. Last year, together, we were trying to track down the ‘lost’ score for ‘The Fog.’ The music in the movie was not the music originally composed by John in 1979. Sadly, those masters have not turned up. (Some of the original music can be heard in ‘The Fog’ trailer.)

Pick up this book…it gives better info on John Carpenter.
http://www.amazon.com/John-Carpenter-Darkness-Gilles-Boulenger/dp/1879505673

Thank you for the informative comparisons. Even though I accept the differences, I enjoy my ‘20th Anniversary’ of ‘Halloween’ because it lacks the silly bass thump that was added later.

And it’s good to see a quality critical appraisal of the latest ‘Halloween II’ release. Nice to know fans are being intelligently critical rather than slavishly appreciative.

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