Again, that’s on the Internet. I never met anyone in reallife who hated RZH, yet it’s pretty hated on the web. And everyone I know who watched H2 loved it. Same for the audiences I saw it with. People on message boards are but a fraction of the world’s populace. I’d say half the people who saw H2 liked it, and the other half hated it. It’s still a huge chasm in opinion, but it’s not majority.
I’m not judging anyone when I say this, I’m just curious, but what makes a person want to walk out of a movie? You’ve already paid for it, and set aside time to watch it in its entirety. I can see if someone was sick from seeing all the gore, but why not watch the whole movie and base your judgement on that? I’ve sat through some crapfests and stayed the whole way through, I just can’t understand why someone would walk out.
I wonder if any asked for their money back.
You are probably entitled to a refund until some point into the movie I would assume.
But I would agree. As much as I disliked it, I stayed, and laughed with my friends when people kept leaving. The Hills Have Eyes 2 and Prom Night were worse and I watched them all the way through (on cable that is, lol)
I managed a movie-theater for three years…and we gave readmit tickets to anyone who walked out before the film was finished, no matter what the reason they gave us.
what was the funniest reason?
on a related note, I used to work at Blockbuster video when I was younger and had to give a customer a free movie coupon because he returned Sling Blade and said it was an awful movie 
I just didnt buy it.
I agree lol. I haven’t heard or seen ONE case of people walking out except for the two or three mentions here. I saw the film AGAIN last night…9:30 showing and the place was half full. People were having fun. People are trying to sway those of us who like the film by “reviews” and stats.
The only reviewer that counts to me is myself and a FEW trusted friends. F all these trendy art wanna be “writers” who’ve bashed the movie.
I DISTINCTLY recall when Eli Roth was BASHED relentlessly the way RZ is now for being the “porn-gore” guy…now a few years later he’s Quentins play pal and everyone loves Eli. These trends come in waves and sadly its to be expected. Its like the kids who loved SLIPKNOT 3 years ago and now call them sell outs…well you get the idea. FLAVOR OF THE MONTH CLUB! I dont shop there! 
it seems like the people who dislike the film really want numbers on there side as a way to “prove” that their opinion is shared by majority of the country. like that would make their opinion of the film not just an opinion but actually prove that the film is complete trash.
i believe its the other way around though, majority of the people who see the film like it for what it is.
LOL. Funny you should ask. I worked in a theater that didn’t allow outside food, but people used to try and sneak stuff in all the time. My friends and I sort of got a kick out of it…especially the lengths people would go to in order to try and be successful in their efforts. Also, most of us younger managers didn’t really enforce the rule because we thought it was ludicrous to begin with.
Well, one Sunday morning some young, somewhat overweight kid comes walking in. He obviously had a styrofoam box lodged in the back of his t-shirt and it was leaking some sort of “goo” onto his white shirt. We just sort of laughed and watched him go into his theater. Five minutes later, he comes out of the theater and is shuffling sadly towards the box-office counter. He asks for a re-admit ticket and the girl asks, “What’s the problem? The movie hasn’t even started.” It was then that he turned around and showed us his back…and there was this HUUUGE mound of brown and white clumpy goo inside his t-shirt. Turns out he FORGOT the box was there, sat in the seat, and smashed hot mashed potatoes and gravy all over his back inside his shirt. We tried to contain our laughter, watched the kid collect his re-admit ticket, then sent some poor young usher sap to clean up the seat. It was somewhat sad…but also pretty hilarious.
I like the veiled jabs. Of course you’re going to say they’re aimed at the critics, but they aren’t exactly wannabe’s since they get paid to do it. So that only leaves us “wannabes” who have criticized your master’s work. What does a “trendy art wannabe writer” even mean? Some of us write horror and some of want to make horror films. Wouldn’t we be more interested in writing art house fair and going to art house boards rather than going on a horror message board if were artsy-fartsy writers? I guess that moniker fits somebody who would like a script that has actual characters in it (not caricatures), a theme, and an actual plot that goes beyond just a guy killing random people. I suppose that’s too much to ask for in your opinion. Just because some of us actually know about films beyond the superficial “like/dislike” tendencies of movie goers doesn’t mean we’re art house guys. It’s like with any other subject, you can be more educated in it than others. Filmmaking is a craft, it takes discipline and skill. I don’t buy that “it’s all subjective” argument. That only works for those who don’t want to know enough about it.
The Eli Roth comment doesn’t even make sense. I don’t know if you noticed but he directed his other films. He acted in Inglourious Basterds. People are praising his performance. They’re two different things. It doesn’t make anybody a hypocrite. Next time pick an example that’s actually relevant to your point. (I bet you’re going to try to avoid the subject by saying, “Oh, but he was in Cabin Fever.”)
And for the record, Slipknot always sucked. They’re overgrown boys who wear masks to appear edgy when their music is so lame it can be played by a four piece band but they need nine members to produce such mediocre crap. It’s not that those kids got trendy, they grew up and realized how bad they were.
This is by far the best point I’ve seen.Good stuff,Evan.ALL horror movies suck nowadays,except for the recent Rob Zombie/RZ Halloween films.I dare someone to talk of a better movie than the last two Halloween installments.Saw 65? 
ummmm…no…it wasn’t a “veiled” jab. The jab was at the nerds who review films online and in periodicals…I dont buy their opinion or trust their “honesty”.
As for the good folk on MM there are many a solid and honest anti RZ guy and theres also (which I think we’ve all seen) many people who pre-judged the film or cast it off without even seeing it.
second…ELI ROTH IS A DIRECTOR??? REEEEEAAAALLLYYYY!!! wow thanks for enlightenming me are you THAT arrogant or do you just like to hear yourself speak.
Since you’re the John Huston of the board you MUST be the only one here who knows about “craft” and “art”. 
and SLIPKNOT doesn’t suck. Again…you’re the maestro of everything. I’d love to see you attempt to play drums as well as their drummer. What crap do you listen to? I’m afraid to even know.
how old are you bro? you don’t believe in subjectivity??? you must be well liked around the office.
btw Randy…Im glad to see you agree with me.
-Evan
Not trying to “gang up” or “pile on”…but, I think you’re sort of missing his point, NY GHOUL. And, if we’re reading your original post correctly (which I’ve quoted above) it IS a valid point, at that.
When you referenced Eli Roth in your post, you mentioned him being “bashed relentlessly” for “being the porn-gore guy”…which most people assume you meant in terms of his career as a director. Then, you talk about him being Tarantino’s “play pal”…and by this we assume you mean in terms of his latest effort as an actor. DarklyScanner may have been a little abrasive in the ay he said it, but he’s right; you’re comparing him as a director to him as an actor, two entirely different mediums. And, while I sort of get what you’re saying…it’s not really a logical comparison in that instance.
You should be more specific. There’s a ton of online critics. Some good, some bad. The way you phrased it makes it hard to tell who you’re even talking about. Not to mention, I’m sure most critics are geeks to an extent. Some are just hacks like Ben Lyons, but they tend to be in the minority.
second…ELI ROTH IS A DIRECTOR??? REEEEEAAAALLLYYYY!!! wow thanks for enlightenming me >
Since you’re the John Huston of the board you MUST be the only one here who knows about “craft” and “art”. >
Thanks for ignoring my point. Now you’re changing the subject to hide the fact that your comparison of Eli Roth’s directing to his acting in Inglourious Basterds has nothing to do with people praising his performance. You tried to make it seem like people were hypocrites for doing so, but it doesn’t make any sense since he didn’t write or direct IB. Do you get how wrong your rant was? It didn’t prove that people’s tastes were trendy.
To be honest, I have nothing again Roth as a director. I don’t think he’s great, but he’s all right. I enjoyed Hostel but I thought Cabin Fever didn’t live up to its interesting premise and Hostel 2 wasn’t as good as the first.
and SLIPKNOT doesn’t suck. Again…you’re the maestro of everything. I’d love to see you attempt to play drums as well as their drummer. What crap do you listen to? I’m afraid to even know.
If you want to know, I listen to film scores often. Stuff by Ennio Morricone, John Williams, and John Carpenter. I like Jazz like Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, Hornet Coleman, Mulatu Astatke and the Heliocentrics. I like rock by the Beatles,
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, David Bowie, Jesus Lizard, the Pixies, and Talking Heads. I also dig me some punk ala Black Flag, Big Black, the Clash, Bad Brains, and… I’ll stop now. I like a lot of music.
And I don’t know how to play drums but I play bass and I’ve played with different drummers. All of them have been very talented and none of them ever praised Slipknot. If you have a double pedal with a nice trigger, you can pretty much make it sound like you’re doing more work than you actually are. I’ve seen it up close myself at rehearsal spaces. Even Lars from Metallica isn’t that great of a drummer. People just tend to overrate speed when there’s many other elements that are overlooked such as creativity (which is more than just hitting a drum boom-bap-boom-bap over and over), emotional content (since emotion is the main focal point of music), and off-time playing (check out some Jazz players).
how old are you bro? you don’t believe in subjectivity??? you must be well liked around the office.
I never said I don’t believe in subjectivity entirely. That’s too broad of a statement. I said I don’t believe in subjectivity when it comes to craft. Things like sculpture, painting, filmmaking. To the common man, it’s only about whether they “like it” or “don’t like it.” That’s about as far as it goes, but there’s much more to it than that. I’ve seen films I didn’t like, but I wouldn’t call them garbage just because I wasn’t entertained. Many films are not simply about that. I feel like most people who only judge films that way are short sighted. Not everything is meant to simply entertain. It would be like trying to criticize a surrealist painting for not being realistic. There’s so many layers to film. There’s the writing, the acting, the cinematography, the editing, the music. This is why I consider it the highest art/craft right now. If some people only watch a film for the entertainment value or as is common among some horror fans, “the kills, how the killer is” you’re only seeing it through a small lens.
So yeah, I don’t believe everybody is equal in saying what’s a good film and what isn’t. I’m not going to think the common guy from where ever who only watches film to be entertained will have much weight in their opinion. Most people who watch movies can’t even expand on why they like a film beyond the boredom/entertainment factor. Or they create superficial categories like horror fans who go on and on about the kills and the “brutality.” There’s so much more to it than that. They can pretend to know what a good performance is, but it’s usually only miming what they read or hear from other people. You don’t have to be a screenwriter to know what a good script is. It’s just about knowing the mechanics of the craft in order to really know what you’re talking about. That’s why most people listen to Roger Ebert’s opinion and not joe schmoe. There’s a difference between a man who studied the craft as well as the films opposed to just a guy who watches flicks that he likes.
There is no such thing as a good movie. What you liked may be different from others. I liked it and if you didn’t than that’s fine with me. Its just opinions. Every one has one. Also on some sites its funny and this happens to every horror movie nowadays. ‘‘Halloween recieved a 19% rating or a 3.5 out of ten.’’ That would have been a 35%. Somebody at rotten tomatoes needs to learn some math. No its just they try to follow the hype and stir shit. That’s why these threads are started. 
If there is no such thing as a “good” movie, then this painting:
is just as good as this one:
See my point? It’s not as simple as liking or disliking something. There’s more to it than that. Did I dislike H2 as a piece of entertainment? Yes. But if the movie had a brilliant script or something that really made it stand out in a way that wasn’t merely just entertainment, I’d rate it higher than I did. Everything about the movie reeked of laziness on the part of the people involved. Laurie’s character was so superficial. All she did was cry and yell in order to convey that she was scarred. It was so over the top, much like everything in the film, that it’s not believable anymore.
I’ve seen stuff like Intolerance, which isn’t a great movie in terms of entertainment value, but I’d still give it credit for having a complex narrative that juggled three time eras in one movie. All three stories are told simultaneously. The set design was also pretty damn great for a film made in 1916. Just because it may not have been entertaining doesn’t mean it’s a “shitty” movie. There’s more layers to judging a film. That’s my entire point. If everything was subjective, we wouldn’t have classics in any kind of art. There wouldn’t be a National Film Registry that acknowledges films for historical and cultural significance. Want to guess what film is in there? John Carpenter’s Halloween. Films aren’t only judged on a like/dislike basis.
It’s like judging the film Requiem for a Dream. It’s a devastating film. Would I say I found it enjoyable? Not really. I wouldn’t watch it often because it’s a very hard hitting drama. But that doesn’t mean it’s not one of the better films of the decade. It’s so potent, you don’t have to see it over and over to get the full effect of the movie.
No offense, but the problem isn’t RottenTomatoes, it’s your understanding of how the site figures its average score for films.
The Tomatometer measures the percentage of Approved Tomatometer Critics who recommend a certain movie (the number of good reviews divided by the total number of reviews).
In other words, “Haloween 2” is currently receiving an average of 21% at RottenTomatoes. That’s NOT because it got an average rating of 2.1 out of 10 from critics. That’s because it received 53 TOTAL reviews, 11 of them being positive. So, 11 divided by 53 equals 21 percent. Not trying to be a smart-ass, but…they’re figuring their math just fine according to my calculations.
THIS GUY REALLY KNOWS HOW TO BUST SOME CAPS!
**might have to pop a CAPSLOCK in somone’s *****
This is the Halloween franchise, we are talking about. Not The Godfather. The only true GREAT film in the franchise was John Carpenter’s Halloween. The rest was mediocre movies that we liked as slasher fans since we have that special sensibility that mainstream moviegoers lack.
This is MM.net dammit, a site dedicated to masks based on movies hated by 90% of the general population. So stop acting like the movies are all high and mighty. RZH might have been fail, but Halloween 2 is a huge improvement in every way. Still a poor film, yes, then again, most slasher films are poor and I still like them better than most other types of movies.
The camera work was strong, the visual were amazing. The film reeked of autumn and Halloween. Dourif’s acting is one of his strongest performances. The dialogues were sharp and funny. The entire thing felt more quality than anything in RZH. But hey, I guess that doesn’t count. Because I’m stupid and I can’t like good films. Despite the fact that I’ve been harping on RZ for months on the forum. Despite the fact that I’ve been using the same arguments as you, on other people for months.
Yet ANOTHER great post…you’re on a roll bro.
And Dr. Wynn…Im gonna change your handle to ATTORNEY WYNN if you keep it up! 
the painting comparison proved subjectivity…I happen to think most Picasso’s look like he painted them with the brush in his arse…but he’s revered as a master. When I had my audition at Music and Art in Manhattan during the interview part the instructor asked me who my favourite artist was and why. While most of the other kids spouted Monet; Van Gogh and other greats I said FRANK FRAZETTA…you should have seen the look I got. 
I love Claude Monet but Frank is my god of art.