I always wanted to be the Matlock of my generation!
Who’s talking about the franchise? I’m talking about one film. I’m not comparing it to the Godfather. I’m not comparing them to anything else. I’ve only ever been talking about Rob Zombie’s movie. Talk about a common practice among the fans of this movie. You guys love to point the finger at another movie and say, “So what if it’s not like _____?” Or NY Ghoul’s ridiculous, “you people REALLY liked Busta Rhymes in Halloween better than H2?”
Way to make your point moot buddy.
This is MM.net dammit, a site dedicated to masks based on movies hated by 90% of the general population. So stop acting like the movies are all high and mighty. RZH might have been fail, but Halloween 2 is a huge improvement in every way. Still a poor film, yes, then again, most slasher films are poor and I still like them better than most other types of movies.
Again, I’m not putting the series on a high pedestal. I judge every film accordingly. The only classic is the original. I can enjoy part 4 and 2, but I’m not about to say they’re the peak of quality. They at least have some resemblance to a decent movie. Some films are able to be great and some aren’t, that’s how it goes. H2 clearly falls into the category of not great. Actually, it’s about as far from great as you can get. Like you said, slasher fans tend to like films for the weirdest reasons. As much of a fan I am of horror, I could never buy the argument that brutal deaths or lots of kills = a good movie. But I guess if that’s what you need, have fun.
The camera work was strong, the visual were amazing. The film reeked of autumn and Halloween. Dourif’s acting is one of his strongest performances. The dialogues were sharp and funny. The entire thing felt more quality than anything in RZH. But hey, I guess that doesn’t count. Because I’m stupid and I can’t like good films. Despite the fact that I’ve been harping on RZ for months on the forum. Despite the fact that I’ve been using the same arguments as you, on other people for months.
See, I don’t get the argument that the camera work was strong. Half of the film was poorly lit. You could barely see what was happening at times. The only nice shots were shots of the clouds and smoke machine effects used to stylize Myers’ point of view. But the rest of the film had a bland quality to it.
Dourif is about the only actor you can really give credit to. He doesn’t really do much in the film. He cries in one scene but as usual, Zombie cuts to some bland overwrought music for the drama. Dourif is a guy who started off his career with One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest and stole the show in Lord of the Rings as a villainous underling (aside from being Chucky). It’s more credit to him as a good actor than the actual film’s script and directing. He’s probably the only actor on the film who knows what good improvising is. Laurie’s performance was more directed by Zombie and shows the incompetence of the script and directing. She seriously has only two modes, which makes her performance a joke.
Anyway, whatever. Your opinion is suspect. Because if anything, you’ve shown you’re easily swayed by other people’s opinions. You listened to people like myself and others in order to build up your hate for this flick. I haven’t listened to anybody but myself. I know Rob’s cheap style, I know what kind of shtick he pulls in his movies, his endless ripping off of movies, etc. You used the same arguments because others used them and you wanted to join along. Well, now you have another group to join. Enjoy the Blob remake.
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DarklyScanner’s seminar 101 has (hopefully) just ended. None of us never really knew anything about film or how to watch one. Im glad he set us straight.
thanks man
Enjoy the brutal kills bro!!!..Rock on! 
I had to leave the theater disgusted that we didnt get a bland halloween sequel. Im angry that michael didnt look like he did in the original and that the film had its own style and wasnt exactly like the other films. I hate the white horse because it wasnt in and any of the others…it didnt feel like the old halloween film…ohh wait its not but umm . I want an updated one where he stalks actors from the cw.
Thank god zombie isn’t doing halloween 3 so now we HALLOWEEN 3D. So now once it hits dvd its already dated and corny as hell. Hey maybe steve miner will come back like they are saying and be a complete director for hire like he was on h20. I like my films generic.
when fans pack into an arena to watch a boxing fight and they end up getting a ballet performance instead, don’t expext the fans not to leave or not be disappointed.
Agreed on all counts. There were a lot of things that I did not like, but the good outweighed the bad for me.
Plus, Scanner, I know you busted on the CardPlayer for flipping on the movie, but couldn’t it be just because he was pleasantly surprised, not that he wanted to follow the flock? That was the case with me. I hated the idea of the damn thing, but I gave it a chance (and paid for it, btw…no FD3D ticket shenanigans for me) and had a good time.
Yes, I AM angry that Michael doesn’t look the same…but not because of the beard, coveralls, and mask. I was angry because Michael was 6’7" and Captain Obvious Scare in both this film AND the remake. He lacked the mystique and supernatural creepiness/strength that made him so unexpectedly terrifying in the original. For the record, I also never really cared for the fact that he turned into Mr. Football Pads in “H4”, Sgt Padded-Chest in “H5”, or Colonel Beer-Gut in “H6” either. But, I won’t rehash that…
I didn’t HATE the white horse because it wasn’t in any of the other films. I disliked it because it was obvious, obtuse, and unnecessary.
And some of us are not upset because “H2” doesn’t feel like the “old ‘Halloween’” film…we’re upset because to us it doesn’t feel like a “Halloween” film at all…let alone resemble any of the other films.
I don’t think Scanner was busting on CardPlayer for liking the movie…he was doing it because there was so much hatred for the film being spewed by CardPlayer both before it was released and after his first viewing. Then, after an additional viewing, he drastically changed his position on the film. It’s not a big deal that he did…it was just very shocking to some of us and I think that’s what Scanner was directly referring to. I don’t know for sure, but perhaps Scanner is a little dubious as to the reasons WHY CardPlayer switched sides of the fence…
You, on the other hand, hated the idea but took a chance and were surprised on first viewing; there’s a big difference between your situation and that of CardPlayer.
So michael should shrink in size from the first remake to this one? He is going to be the same character from the remake.
Why are you responding if that not how you feel…everything I said is what some people actually feel.
Im not even defending some of this but I am defending the fact that the film actually has its own style and this is a different universe. Why bitch about stuff already established by the remake.
Bottom line a lot of people are mad that this current audience thinks this is the real halloween. Who cares get over that.
I never SAID I thought he should be smaller in size compared to Zombie’s “Halloween”. And if you go back and re-read my post, you’ll see I said I wasn’t happy with how big Myers was in “H4 or 5”. I also wasn’t pleased with how big he was in “H6” OR Zombie’s first version. One of the few good things about “H: Resurrection” was that they got Michael “right”. His size and look were just about spot-on for my (and many other fans’) tastes.
Why am I responding? Because you didn’t address anyone SPECIFICALLY in your post. And since you’re mocking and making assertions as to why a GENERAL group of people dislike “H2”, I felt compelled to respond…especially since I happen to be in that group. Isn’t that what a message board is intended to be used for?
Yes, the film had its own “style”, and that’s fine…if it’s not supposed to be a “Halloween” film. I’m not MAD at the audience…I’m disappointed with the filmmaker and the film itself. There’s a big difference.
And if I’m supposed to “get over it” (even though I’m not upset about what you claim), I’m not going to suggest you do, but some would say you should take that advice to heart yourself and get over the fact that some of us are disappointed/upset.
Dude!! This forum is cracking me up today!!! Well said sir.
Colonel Beer-Gut - Classic.
Hopefully I would get gutted for this one, but let’s not forget Mr. Roboto in the original H2…
Thanks, man. Just trying to show I’m not all serious (lest someone tell me to “chill” again)! 
As far as Warlock…yeah, I can see how some people object. I just always attributed his stiff performance to an unconscious character choice on his part. Since Myers has now been stabbed, shot, “needled”, etc…he’s lost his glide and smooth manner…he basically became like a zombie…the “Living Dead” (which is one of the reasons I love the clips of “Night of the Living Dead” being interspersed through the film).
I don’t know if Warlock or the director consciously made this decision (and I don’t think they did)…but, to me it works from an acting/character approach.
I think Warlock did it on purpose. It seemed like a circumstance of trying to do too much with the role. Castle might have done it too, had it not been for Carpenter telling him not to think too much and just to walk normally.
Going one step further on your idea - maybe a zombie shambled around and bit Michael right after he fell from the balcony, but right before Loomis looked out to try to find him. One of those REALLY FAST zombies.
Look for it on the Halloween II special edition Blu-Ray! 
I liek your points but It doesnt change the fact that sonme people are bitching over small things. The fucked up thing is I agree with everything you say but at the same time I like the movie and I really respect zombie as a filmaker and what he was trying to do.I enjoyed the friday remake but theres a differene between a director liek marcus nispel whos basically doing it for hire and no passion really. Zombie has a passion and a vision that i can get behind and Im glad we got what we did. I cant understand all of these people calling for his head and saying he should quit . I mean some of us are really getting personal and attacking him.
but i really like your points.
I also liek the continuity in zombies film and how the mask is the same mask(not litterally) but a duplicate of it. I always thought it was funny in h5 how BOOM he comes out after the explosion with another mask. I guess the explosion blew his hairline back. I do enjoy h5 lol.
Mr. Football Pads in “H4”, Sgt Padded-Chest in “H5”, or Colonel Beer-Gut in “H6” - Those are perfect. I thought michael in h5 was originally played by a ceral box when hes floating down the river lol. Seriosuly.
I think people get personal because Zombie basically says “F the fans, I am doing MY movie”. Like he knew what people wanted to see, and purposefully went the other way.
While going your own way is not a bad thing at all, I would like to maybe see more of a mixture.
Great comment about H5 btw. The explosion blew back his hairline…
It is just as great. Its a painting there both paintings. More opinons to one maybe more. But you can’t say its a good or bad painting or movie. Ones more popular. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Its an opinion. Just becuase you have one doesn’t mean its true. Just becuase I have one it doesn’t make its true.
I was on my phone typing it in a hurry and I meant to say the people reading rotten tomatoes. I know the system, and people post a review like that saying how bad it made not realizing what it actually meant. Sorry My computer wasn’t working.Thats why I made the post but yeah I know you wern’t trying to be a smart ass.
Yes but even though alot of people liked godfather including me, its the same as comparing each. Your last paragraph explained exactly why something is more popular than others. The majority tries to make a stand saying they liked it or hated it. But who really is listening to me.
This is what I’m trying to say. Sure people have differences in each movie tastes. We can blab all day but the thing that brings us here is that we all love Michael Myers and the Halloween series. If we talked about why you like halloween and stop stirring up shit all day( which is why these topics are made) there wouldn’t be arguments. Though thats what most of you love to do.
I didnt bother to read through the whole thread. But people have so much venom for these Zombie movies i dont know where it stems from. Have any of you guys actually WATCHED Halloween 4-8??? All pretty awful movies that aside from say part 6(debatable and 7 make a total joke out of Myers and are some of the worst movies made, quality wise, acting wise, etc…Halloween 5, Halloween 6 BOTH cuts, H:R with Busta Rhymes karate kicking myers out of a window?!? H4’s stiff goofy masked Myers and ugly Heroine?!! H5’s ridiculous mask and obnoxious main characters?? H6 awful attempt to explain Myers powers and has myers IMPREGNATING HIS NEICE!!! all that is better than Zombie brining Myers back as a threatening menace full of anger and evil!?? I just dont get it…and yes I love all the Halloween movies for different reasons, but to me the best are H1 and H2 and again H1 and H2 of the new series
can i get an Amen?!! i dont understand it either bud. apparently were a hybrid 
its just boggles my mind. Same for when people bitch about the TCM remake, i had issues with it as well, but for me at least it was a SERIOUS effort. Unlike the Friday the 13th remake which was a clunker in every way.