HALLOWEEN (1978) COVERALLS MATCH

[Datsun280z]

@CaptainKirkDiggler

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I’ve scoured the old Sears catalogs a lot and almost never are the tags shown. They did switch from black WnL tags to the blue one (there were two variations, one had the older “Sears” typeface and one had the newer), and then to the grey/red “Coveralls” tag.

I find Sears WnL (blue and red tags) on ebay quite a bit, as well as Roebucks. You have to search frequently though.

There is a pair of Talls with the red/grey Sears “Coveralls” tag in green right now on ebay. A pretty rare find!
Ebay Sears Coveralls

[Datsun280z]

I’ve kind of come to the conclusion that Dick had a pair of Short coveralls in H2.

I have several pairs of Sears with different tags and the Regulars give me a somewhat highwater look and I’m 5’11". There’s almost no way Dick could get the highwater look with regulars at his height, and the fact that they fit snug (as bigger coveralls do tend to get longer as well).

[CaptainKirkDiggler]

Ok, ok ,ok… I think I know why there’s a bit of confusion in our conversation lol. When I say “charcoal”, I now realize that you may think of a color similar to graphite Rit Dyemore. However, when I say charcoal, it’s closer to what Castle said. It’s MUCH more of a grey with touches of blue and green.

As for the suits you make, I can imagine it must have been frustrating. Wanting to rehaul H1s with a nonexistent supply lol. I bet it’s easier from “ground up” than looking for vintage, buying them, rehauling them, and having to resell. However, on your H1s, the “elastic waist” seems to go all the way around the waist. Is that correct? I’ve rehauled some of mine and I make the elastic go about 6 inches longer on each side but that’s just a guess (as much as I like to poke fun, I don’t know as much about the suits as you guys).

But… I’ll still thumb-wrestle you over the color… I think it’s a grey/blue/green that leans closer to blue(ish) than green(ish) lol

[CaptainKirkDiggler]

AGREED!! Dick was around 5’8 so I definitely agree that they were probably “small” WnLs to flood like that. And they were just so tight… like he was about to go scuba diving.

I wear talls for my H1s but I have regulars for my H2. The regulars are definitely floods but the Roebucks Regs are the only ones that look good imho. The Regular WnLs (and some of the Sears) run INSANELY small. I have 3 reg WnLs and 1 tall. And the tall STILL flood (but, my legs are “kinda” long).

In the regulars… I think I look Like Michael Myers in capris lol.

[Datsun280z]

Glad someone else thinks so, about Dick wearing small or shorts to get the flood look- there’s just no way regulars would look like that on someone his height without hemming (doubtful) or being the short versions. I know his lift boots affect it too, but I have some logger boots and it doesn’t change the look that much.

His coveralls were tight, I would guess there were a 40 Short. He wasn’t big, but he was Kurt Russel’s stunt double in Escape from LA so he couldn’t have been too skinny and I’ve never seen vintage coveralls in a size smaller than 38 Short.

I have one pair of green Sears with the red/grey “Coveralls” tag (I don’t know if they count as WnL, but they were before Roebucks) that are a 46R and they’re not even that big on me- I’m typically a 40 in suit jackets or 42 in coveralls for reference. Coveralls sizes are all over the place it seems, but from all the pairs I have and my height (5’11"), I’m convinced he wore short version coveralls. Even with his lift boots, I bet regulars would at least bunch up a little bit on his shoes.

[creepycustoms]

When you say grey/blue/ green shade, you’re describing tex green haha

[creepycustoms]

[MichaelAMyers78]

the treadwear tex green color is INCREDIBLY dependent on the location. they can look blue, green, or pure gray all depending on where you are. here are some pictures of my replica tread wears in different lighting

[CaptainKirkDiggler]

NOOOOOOOO !!! I guess we aren’t that far off from eachother then. Damn you…

Second, that pic is amazing dude lol! However… since we’re splitting hairs… the film still looks more grey/blue with a “touch” of green to me… as opposed to a more noticeable green. Don’t get me wrong, the color you make reminds me of the back of the old VHS copies… where he’s at the closet door. He DEFINITELY looks more greenish there and I think your suits nail that color pretty well. But, better prints and better color tilt the color away from green towards grey and blue in my eyes. This is a recent thing as I have a few sears (and one Roebucks) in that tex green color. It just doesn’t look right in person to me anymore. However, when you photograph all of these, everything changes so I’m with you there.

However, since tex-green isn’t a real color I gotta ask, you kids see more green than blue/grey? I’m honestly curious (as I’ve shown people pics to get their opinion and that color is a subjective experience). As we all know, the Sears catalog had “tex-green” listed so I’m not disputing that. But as we’ve discussed, a weird, made up color, from the 1970s, on mass produced coveralls, with little to no quality control… that equals this conversation I guess. I have a ton of Sears, 2 Trades, and a few WnLs and NONE of the colors match. The Roebucks… those match.

And, my favorite Myers coveralls are the early 80s Sears… just gotta cut that hammer loop off.

[CaptainKirkDiggler]

But again, when photographed it all comes down to lighting so I should clarify. I’m referring to how they look in person. Specifically, how they look to me and asking what you guys see.

Also, dude’s replicas are absolutley stellar (so this isn’t about the product).

And… we’ve already established that my charcoal is your tex-green. waves the white flag

[creepycustoms]

You’re also comparing what you see in modern pictures to a 50 year old movie that has been color graded a dozen times.

Charcoal was available in the sears line but multiple years AFTER the correct version of tradewear was in production.

[Kenny_Powers]

Does evaluating color based on a replicated pair offer any practical benefit? As Conor noted, the age, fading, and condition of the original pair used during filming must be considered. However, I am certain that Tex is the correct production color.

[Myers13Halloween]

It’s all about personal preference, artistic skill, and lighting. Focus on what makes you happy and feels right. Embrace thinking outside the box.

[CaptainKirkDiggler]

Oh no. Here we go again brother lol.

I am no longer convinced by your trickery sir as a bunch of the catalogs here list Charcol as an available color well before 1978. So, Charcoal would have been readily available and just as common/likely in 1978. Also, seeing the color on various older copies of the film doesn’t really support it “definitely” being green. Modern prints (like the 4k ultra HD) have much a more accurate color, and those more accurate and modern prints look WAY closer to a charcoal grey than a “tex-green”.

However, as people are used to the inferior prints and the accompanying greenish look… one can’t blame you for interpreting green (because we’ve all been watching that since we were kids). Seeing the accurate color is not what out eyes are used to. If we’ve thought the coveralls were some shade of green for decades, it’s harder to imagine they might be anything different. Confirmation bias is a hell of a thing.

And, the charcoal I’m describing isn’t the same as tex-green upon further inspection… it’s charcoal. It’s a blue, grey, with hints of green. Tex-green may be similar but not quite. There’s more grey/blue than grey/green.

You ALMOST had me. But, I now stand my ground on this .

folds arms and turns up his nose

[creepycustoms]

You wont let it go. Haha
do you own a pair of ACCURATE construction coveralls? I’ve had roughly 10 of them in varying colors. I and everyone else has never seen a charcoal grey ACCURATE construction pair surface. The screen accurate suit was already a few years old when it was brought to set. It was not the available in stores when they needed it for filming

A local buddy does own a charcoal tradewear but it had the big mac style pocket and double stitched waistband. Ive seen charcoal tradewears with the h2 work and leisure construction as well.

You made me dig out all the catalog here in my shop. The first time charcoal was listed as a colorway was 1975-76 for the perma prest suit. It was ALREADY a different construction suit at that time, not the h1 accurate build.

The hero screenused style suit was released in 1973 and was only made in that style for one season. Hence why theyre so rare. They never made that version of the tradewear in charcoal.

[SkinnySam]

I mean, Tommy Lee Wallace said they were « grayed down kinda green » and insisted on green multiples times. + Connor’s explanations as he actually owns a real Tex-green

And all the people that owns a Tex-Green coveralls says online that it’s kind of like « magic » as it can appears grey or blue depending on lighting.

• I shoot 35mm and depending on the lights and color grading, you can pretty much play with shades or green/gray to make them blue

Most of the time when we see Michael in daylight he is around green grass, they had to tone it down the green so it won’t be too « intense green » so his coveralls, that where a slight green, could be muted gray by just slightly removing 10% of green hue. Remember that it was shot during spring! The color grading had to replicate a more neutral autumn vibe so the vibrancy have been dimmed.

And also, if you showcase the tex green in front of very green vibrant grass; It will appear gray

but if you display the tex green in front of a more blue or gray background it will appear green.

I’ll prove this theory when I get my coveralls from Connor (I’m a professional photographer and videographer)

But in the end : there’s 2 types of cosplayers
Those who wants 100% accuracy of what Michael found back then (tex green coveralls, unstretched mask etc) and those who wants accuracy about what people saw in the movie ( ID mask , PS78or any kind of castle stretched masks, and navy blue/ grey coveralls because it would make sense to more of the general population)

The accurate color is tex-green there’s no debating about this, but you can get a charcoal coveralls to cosplay and it won’t be « wrong » in a sense.

To add one more thing regarding what I said about the grass theory. You got to understand that some colors are depend of context.

For example: brown. Brown is just dark orange. It’s not a « real color »

If you put a slightly dark orange in front of a white background it will appear dark brown, but in front of a black background it would appear slightly muted orange.

And I’m 100% sure that what Tex green is. It’s muted enough that our brains interprets what it is regarding what’s around it.

Pictures for proof the brown thing: check the hex color code on both it will be the exact same !

[theHEDGE]

Pop quiz.

What color are these Tradewear coveralls?

[SkinnySam]

So hard to tell on that one! The weathering in middle sections tends to go greenish, the lower parts seems charcoal and the top section looks navy

[theHEDGE]

How about now?

[SkinnySam]

Same deal! Are they charcoal?

Because I can find some blue and green hues on it my first instinctive guess would be Tex green but I haven’t seen one IRL yet so on the pics they look charcoal ! Haha

Still waiting for them to arrive !
( I love this game haha)