HALLOWEEN (1978) COVERALLS MATCH

[theHEDGE]

See, if I didn’t know any better I’d say they are Tex green. They definitely fit the gray/green/blue description we hear about so often.

But I do know better.

They are in fact Charcoal.

However, when you put them side by side with a pair of Tex and Navy you quickly realize how little green and blue they actually have in them.

Charcoal is very much a flat grey color when you have something to compare it to.

This is Tex on the left and Charcoal on the right.

This is what Tex, Charcoal, and Navy Tradewears look like side by side.

[theHEDGE]

To me, the Charcoal are simply too gray to fit the bill. They certainly play color tricks in various light and look the part when photographed under certain condotions, but when you line them up, to me it’s pretty clear which color we see in the film.

[theHEDGE]

I’m happy to take more photos of the different colors if people want to see them.

The coolest part, to me, is seeing the Tex look more gray when you eliminate the Charcoal ones from the picture.

This is Tex by itself and Tex and Charcoal togather.

[Scissors]

This is the longest coverall discussion I’ve ever seen😆

[creepycustoms]

@theHEDGE i was gonna guess charcoal because i noticed they were the h2 style tradewear and you wanted to be tricky! Great pics of the color comparison though!

My guess is your charcoal suit is from 76-78

[SkinnySam]

Wow!

It’s tricky ! But yeah next to the tex green the charcoal looks WAY too gray!

So I have still absolutely zero doubt about the fact that Tex-Green IS the color.

Tex green looks more charcoal than the charcoal

[Scissors]

That’s very true like you said the charcoal is too gray.
charcoal usually has a blue hue to it, and I’m also
positive that the color is tex green. The colors almost need to be relabeled😆

[SkinnySam]

Hey man! No editing , in front of the same window, look how the text green looks blue next to the olive color of the jungle boots vs how green they appear in front of my blue couch!

[BigMikeyMyers1888]

Tex green is one of the weirdest colors ive ever seen. I’ve never seen anything that changes so much depending on the lighting and surroundings

[CaptainKirkDiggler]

Ok dude. I AGAIN respectfully disagree. Let me make my case cause it’s ALL about the elastic waistband. So… here’s where I put this “tex-green” nonsense to bed and do my best My Cousin Vinny.

You guys all have the wrong year. The coveralls were indeed Sears Tradeware BUT… the year you think is incorrect. They were from 1970 brothers and sisters. The elastic waist is VERY specific on the H1 78’ set. The typical elastic waist (on pretty much every brand of coverall since the late 70s) has several ridges, mashed together but… Castle’s have a very loose, almost straight, vertical bunching. So, instead of 15 folds on the band, there are 5 or 6. And, it is unmistakable in the movie. Now… only one year Sears offered that specific type of elastic waist. And that was 1970.

Even better… the colors available for purchase on the 1970 Sears Tradeware were Spruce Green and… wait for it… you guessed it…

CHARCOAL BLUE (dark)

pumps fist and spikes the ball

Ladies and gentlemen… they were Charcoal Blue. And… Dark Charcoal Blue is a perfect match for the coveralls’ color on the 4K Ultra HD release, which would have much more accurate color than older versions where they look “greenish”.

[jacksparrow900]

According to the Sears description it says two front pockets one with zip closure. No front pockets on the coveralls in the film have a zip closure so if that is true these don’t fit the coveralls used for the film.

[creepycustoms]

Look at the picture, it Clearly has a snap collar and no pocket flap.

The mystery was solved in 2016. Im not sure why you can’t accept that, respectively.

If you owned a truly accurate pair, you’d know thats the one.

[theHEDGE]

The debate is alive and well, I see. Lol.

[CaptainKirkDiggler]

Becuase sir… I am like Nandor the Relentless… I never relent. Something like that…

However, spirited debate is interesting and informative. And, this is not a debate I can really have ANYWHERE else on the planet either.

Without the exact and actual coveralls Castle wore in 78’, we’ll never be 100% sure. We just have educated guesses. I believe the correct term would be “conjecture” my good man. So in all honesty, it’s far from settled. Castle himself doesn’t even remember for sure. The mask, THAT is settled, the coveralls, nope. Everyone was sure they were Big Macs not too long ago. Not to mention that “tex-green” isn’t even a real color. It was created by Sears to designate a specific dye.

The case is far from closed my friend. And to say that anyone “knows for sure” would be a stretch. We have no real witness testimony or anyone in the production/costume dept saying they were definitely “tex-green” Sears Tradeware. Our current evidence is circumstantial at best… hogwash at worst. And, I honestly just wanted to use the term hogwash there.

You’re making a statement of fact brother, and while argumentum ad populum is a powerful thing… I respectfully remain unconvinced of your assertation.

All joking aside, becuase I’m mostly screwing around, I just disagree man. That’s not a problem is it? You’re making a statement of fact and adding a “aap” fallacy on top of it. There just isn’t enough evidence to know for sure man.

Perhaps I need to present my findings in a clear, concise, non-joking, manner. But dude, we’re talking about coveralls from a low budget 70s indie slasher flick… that had LESS than 10 minutes of total screen time. It was a glorious 9.5 minutes though.

[MichaelAMyers78]

I mean, I’d say we 100% know because we have the Sears catalogs, so we know all the coverall options. We can match a very specific model to the film due to multiple unique elements, such as the collar and very square pockets. We also know which colors were offered and can disqualify all of the colors that dont match the film, leaving tex green. idk why your fighting this losing battle, with all the information we have its pretty clear to see that we know the make and model, and the color used in the film.

[MichaelAMyers78]

your using false info trying to back up your claim just so you can assure to yourself that your right.

[MichaelAMyers78]

unless they had coveralls custom made, or the films color was changed so drastically that it cant be trusted in any way shape or form, this coveralls have been identified. case closed.

[underwaterwreck]

Listen, I enjoy the hunting and speculation just as much as the next guy. It’s my favorite part of the hobby, but at some point you just gotta let it go. While I love looking on eBay, Mercari, Etsy, etc. For coveralls that could have been the model from 78, I’m 99% sure that they are the Tradewears. Connor and others have looked into this more than you or me combined. I say we just trust that they know what they’re talking about.

[Datsun280z]

What a great conversation and the only place we could have it!

I too was bitten by the coverall bug last year and have various models of Sears with varying pockets and colors.

I’ve seen a lot of variations with pocket shapes, colors, snap locations, etc.

The power of weathering and lighting is huge, as well as dye variations and the effects of fading and washing. I know my coveralls look much different after I add just light weathering.

I’ve seen some red tag Sears coveralls with square pockets, some Tradewears with a seam on the center back, and I also think they just slapped whatever collar tags they had on near transition times when they changed tags or logos.

I will say that as most do, I recall the coveralls looking mostly navy blue in H1 (except for the outdoor scenes where they seem dark/olive green) and almost a grey navy in H2 (even though we know they were green).

Every greenish pair of coveralls I bought on ebay looked grey in the pictures, and they look grey when I photograph them as well.

I think a big part of it for me is that most greens look wrong IN PERSON unless they are very weathered and stained. Gray or dark blue tends to look “right” for a costume.

You also have to consider what you are going to do or looking for- if you’re going to conventions and in person events, something closer to blue would look for accurate to what we see on screen, while using greenish/tex will produce better results on film and camera.

I’ve heard the term “Screen-accurate” used a lot incorrectly. “Screen Accurate” is how stuff looks in the movie theatre or on a screen, NOT what was actually used on the set. That is “prop accurate” or “set accurate”.

So screen accurate to H1 would be a tone of blue for every scene EXCEPT the outdoor scenes where they look grey or green, depending on your screen settings and movie version.

Set accurate would be the Tex Green (or whatever was actually used).

A good example of this is Batman’s Batmobile in the 1989 Michael Keaton movie: the actual paint had a holographic oil/beetle effect (set accurate) while on screen the paint looked satin black (screen accurate).

[Myers13Halloween]

I like the Batman movie reference; it’s a great example. The same applies to artwork; photos can show it differently than the natural eye.