I often wonder what the origin is of the H4 mask. I know several theories are that it is a Don Post The Mask and some say that it is a Kirk that’s been modified similar to the one from H1 and H2. I know there is an unedited clip that clearly shows the mask having blonde hair for a brief moment in the school scene. At any rate, I’ve always had a soft spot for the H4 mask. I really think this copy depicts how the H4 mask looks now with the worn paint and spray painted fading hair. To me the H4 is definitely the last of the Myers masks to have that Kirkish look to it.
This is interesting, mainly since the mask is so mysterious and it’s plain look only adds to its eeriness. In my opinion, I do think it’s descended from some kind of Kirk/Shatner sculpt, be it The Mask or the 75, or even some of the Rubies kirks that were released at the time from Don Post molds. However, I believe personally that it comes from a 75 Kirk as a crew member once stated they converted a left over Kirk from Halloween II.
I think that it’s really interesting that the mask looks so much different throughout the movie. With the small then wide eye cuts, to the addition of the neck extension. It’s really hard to get an accurate look at the details. And I don’t think the Kirk they used in the school house scene is the one they used for the whole movie, it was just an unconverted Kirk they had from H2 that Wilbur threw on to do over a scene. I could be wrong though!
I think you may be right. It is definitely the most mysterious of any of the Halloween masks. I’m glad to see a slight resurgence in its popularity. I’ve always had a soft spot for H4.
AFAIK, this is the history of the H4 mask. If I’m wrong, or missing information anywhere, I’m sure one of the older, more knowledgeable members will correct me…
The H4 mask was originally a recasted Kirk mask. You can see that from the partially converted mask that Michael steals from Vincent Drug:
When the mask was converted, the eye holes were smaller than they were in the movie:
Apparently, George P. Wilbur cut the eyeholes larger himself so he could see better, creating the mask as it looks in the final film:
That’s what I thought too. But, I have some behind the scenes photos from Halloween II’s Tramer mask that says otherwise. They casted a Tramer mask from 1981 for the mask to Halloween 4.
The scenes with Morga are obviously a mask left over from H2…Supposedly a tramer or kirk repainted on set.
Somewhere along the line when Wilbur replaced him came along the main hero which seems to be a quick recast of a kirk or maybe a Shatner lifecast with newly sculpted ears and brows.
Sorry guys…I promised 2 people I wouldn’t show the pix.
They recasted the mask from Halloween II in the Tramer scene. I know in that scene, the Ben Tramer scene, from the pix I have, one mask, as he walking towards the Kids, has Kirk eyes and another, as he’s running from Loomis, has a the Myers cut.
I can understand that seeing as the H4 mask eye cuts and Tramer eye cuts are similar (somewhat jagged and triangular), it actually makes perfect sense. Thank you for the information.
Dick told me there were two Tramers on set and that both had burned in the fire. This is true, when you observe that scene one can tell it was shot in different stages.
Now he also told me there were some “back up” don post masks on set. Now what these back ups were, I do not know. They could have been kirks, unfinished Tramers. What I can say is that in the H4 DVD commentary(NOT included on the blu ray,sadly) writer Alan B. McElroy states they had the mask from H2 on set to use.
Not sure to this day what mask from H2 they are talking about. In the 15 disc collectors edition on the 15th disc with bonus features, FX guy Ken Horn explains what they were given was a mask which was pink(flesh color) with white hair and saying this isn’t right. Even in the old DVD Alan B. McElroy explains when he got on set, the mask was pink with white hair.
This truely explains the mask in the early days of shooting and the school scene(first day) was a kirk or a Tramer back up, that was leftover from H2.
Horn worked on that mask painting it white, misting the hair black…The scenes with the H2 mystery mask can be seen in the scenes with Morga. Somewhere along the way, Horn contacted DP jr to please send him masks from the Shat mold. He received 6 masks but all were painted like the H2 back up, pink with white hair, so again he re did them Myers style.
Now after examining close ups of the H4 Hero, the customized mask Horn had done to the dp mask sent from DP jr, and Darren Hughes’s H4 back up mask which is identical to the Hero, its obvious it’s a resculpt from a Shatner lifecast or somekind of kirk recast.
AWESOME post, K!! Read it all very thoroughly and if they info you’re providing came from Dick himself, then I believe I might be leaning towards your explanation. Not to mention you have several witnesses who can attest to the masks on set during H2 and H4 filming.
DP, Jr. said he didn’t make any masks for Halloween 4 due to the studios Halloween season schedule. He said they called and called but he didn’t have time because they didn’t give him enough notice.
In Gorezone Magazine, Ken Horn is interviewed in 1988, right on the set and states, they used a mask left over from Halloween II. I 100% believe that is what he did. I think he totally rushed recasting it, due to time constraints, and did it up like one of the mask(s) he casted. That explains the white hair, the Kirk eyes, because of one of the Tramer masks not being fully done.
That interview on the 15 disc box had me baffled when Horn stated that DP sent a box of masks since we had already seen the Gorezone article.
But who knows, maybe a cover up to hide the mistake for the school scene.lol
Who knows…