Would the H4 mask look like the original had Tommy Lee Wallace been called in to show the crew how he finished the original? Or were some of the features on the mold retooled such as the eyebrows? Always the hated painted on brown eyebrows because it gave the mask a shocked expression, probably would have looked a lot better if they were also painted white with better eyecuts and haired better.
IMO it was kirk derived, but the eyebrow details and shape are NOT kirk eyebrows at all. The nose doesn’t look a real kirk either, the ears are even slightly modified or warped. Not sure what went on, but it was Not a direct 75 kirk cast used. It was rolled around or warped and messed up somehow, for sure!
It was Kirk derived, that’s not a question really. Just distorted and flawed in a lot of ways. Its likely that the Kirk was recast sloppily, “fixed up” (poorly) in clay form, then a quick mold made and the 6 copies produced that were made for filming.
The eyebrows are differently placed and distorted/altered but I personally think they could be very distantly kirk related but resculpted almost entire due to damages during the recast).
The question of who made them is what I really want to know and what I’ve been trying to pin down (unsuccessfully, so far).
Ken Horn was a former Don Post employee.
I think the reason the H4 “looks” the way it does with sideburns, brows, etc is that they probably thought that’s what Myers looked like. Good example is their(Don Post) version of Myers, THE MASK…Or any of those mysterious Myers that circulated under the table using real kirk pulls in 81 or the Malone Myers.
So yea, if Tommy were on set of H4 he may have said to remove the brows and sideburns…poof the hair whatnot
I love H4 as it has a great Halloween feeling to it. I’ve always said that is they got a better looking mask (like the original) and stuck with Tom Morga as Myers, then H4 would have been one of the best in the series.
In the 1980s Don Post did retooling to the kirk sculpt that was used for H4. Ears were smaller, more human like. Nose recieves a slight tweak and then eyebrows redone as well as a slight tweak to the chin/jawline. It’s a kirk, but retooled and the masks were done up as kirks by Don Post and then sent to set. Had super light blonde hair and pinkish flesh tone. The film crew then cut out myers eyes, painted white over and over drowning out details and then sprayed the hair brown.
It’s absolutely impossible for them to have not had involvement because the crew has explicitly stated that they had masks sent to set that were all kirk finished they then had to make myers themselves. That’s why the school scene features a kirk mask rather than Myers. They probably denied involvement the way they did for H1 even though there’s a ton of evidence that DP actually did up the Hero for H1/2 rather rather Tommy BUT that’s an entirely other conversation lol
Yeah, I mean the H4 was definitely a retool of a Kirk and that’s for sure. But I was just making sure to include the fact that Don post has denied any involvement. Whatever was sent to set was the H4 mold we all know and have come to known was sloppy and done quick.
They were super quick to claim involvement in H1 during the lawsuit lol. The Tommy/DPS theory has always intrigued me surrounding H1. It’s the secondary stunt/H2 Stunt Blood tears that seems to be different from the rest. The hero and the schoolyard stunt both have very much consistency. There’s not really any evidence to support DPS’s involvement in H1 though. Just the outlier of the stunt imo. Member “precarious” had a really good thread showing the signs pointing to TLW and not DPS.
Well yeah not physical evidence in terms of the DP H1 theory, basically word of mouth from previous employees but knowing what I’ve learned from people over the years, in this situation-- here is what I think on that, just my theory-- Tommy bought 2 kirks, made 2 stunts. One was shown to DP when the crew went up there and DP was asked to create another that looks like this but better so that it could be used in close ups (the Hero) it was then made by DP and used in the first 2 films. The hero has cleaner more precise eyecuts where as the 2 stunts have sloppily cuts, and the paint application looks sortve more detailed on the Hero rather than the stunts. only my theory, noone knows any of this for sure because none of us were there hahaha!
One of the most frustrating parts about this whole thing! Wish it were documented like a lot of new films are.
Out of curiosity, what do you make of the fact that the myers masks made by DP around that time don’t look like what was used in H1 and have sloppier cuts than the hero (which comparing between them, both have fine cuts, although not matching each other, are smooth around the edges? TLW had told me directly that they had no involvement with DPS during the first one.
I know Tommy states that they had no involvement during the first ones BUT check this out, Bill Malone has stated that he also created 2 “Malone” Kirk’s after he was told they wanted mask. Sent one to set to be used for back up. They had to have some kind of involvement otherwise that mask wouldn’t exist
What about the h4 Darren had and it had no signs of flesh or blonde hair, he stripped it bald and it had no flesh paint on and no blonde hair just brown all the way to the roots, it showed up on the set of h6?? I think it was Darren maybe someone else
If bill Malone sent them the Malone why didn’t they use it lmfao it looks nothing like the hero at all, the eye cuts are jacked and the paint straight sucked and he left sideburns on it. If DP made the masks why is there flesh tones on the neck? Why were their sideburns ripped off? If they didn’t want them why would DP even bother to put them on… why didn’t they just use brown hair? All of DP Myers mask have brown eye brows, why wasn’t the hero’s eye brows painted brown ?? I don’t think DP had anything to do with the hero, maybe some conversations maybe some questions maybe the idea got thrown around between DP and TLW but ultimately I don’t believe no don post masks were used, I believe TLW converted them just the way he did in the Sean Clark video.
That’s a great read brother, so ur telling me don post only made the Malone and a few other weird human hair, eye brow having, horrible eye cut replicas in an attempt to gain the rights of the Michael Myers mask??? That sounds about right to me. Don Post couldn’t replicate the hero mask no matter how hard they tried, they knew they used a kirk and wanted some money so they through together something in attempt to show that they made the hero, and failed… TLW did make those masks or convert them or whatever. I believe that 100%…
