I agree. I think what is most needed for this series and its fans is just a straight up good horror film.
And to all those who say that H2 had some beautiful shots and give all the credit to Rob for that, lets all remember that the cinematographer has ALOT to do with how a film looks i.e. lighting and framing
Hey thanks for all the info Show, it’s much appreciated.
-Dylan
You’re very welcome Dylan! Anything else that I find out, I will gladly post.
UPDATE
I’m currently in Western New York with my family and my “inside man” and I have some very disheartening news for all of us Halloween fans.
Halloween is just about dead. H3D will likely not happen at all, and if (…and it’s a BIG if) Halloween 3 happens, it’ll likely be direct to DVD. Dimension is basically finished, they have an auditor coming in and “restructuring the company” from top to bottom. Which in terms of business means they are firing 70% of the staff of day to day ops and are going to run on a skeleton crew. They have no money for marketing right now, no money for wide spead distribution costs and are flat out broke.
The only way that future projects are going to take off i.e. Scream 4-6 etc, is if seperate financers come in and pony up the costs. Which will of course cause major rifts in creative direction and control. It’s a disaster no matter which way you look at it.
H2 is being looked at as a complete and utter failure both in terms of success and in financial terms. And with Disney’s new aquisition of Marvel, they aren’t looking to board any sinking ships.
Now, remember that I said this. Mark my words, watch for Trancas to either A) Sell the rights to Halloween to a new company (My guess is Lionsgate and for dirt cheap costs due to the franchise being all but worthless at this point) or B) Trancas attempting to partner up with another company (My guess here would be Plantinum Dunes) to completely redo the mess that was everything from 2007 to now. And if the latter happens, it won’t be for a long time.
Thanks Malek, your Father is turning over in his grave as we speak. Your intent of “shocking the audience” with a Zombie vision has run the franchise right into the dirt. Halloween shouldn’t have been remade AT ALL, how the hell do you remake Casablanca? But IF you must attempt to do it, going with Zombie has PROVEN to be the wrong choice. Some of you kids on here can say Zombie is still king and you “…loved it” blah, blah, blah…but the numbers don’t lie. H2 was the worst reviewed and worst money-return film of the year. Love it all you want, but love it well as it was likely the last time you see another Halloween movie for quite some time after the direct to DVD likelyhood of any potential Halloween 3.
who knows wat will happen n h3d??? 
i cant say im suprised that the weinsteins are f**ked i think that may have been one of robs intentions with h2 to ruin them 
the quality of the movie makes more sense now huh?
on a serious note it sucks that halloween is dead in the water for now… id be happy to see plat dunes or lionsgate get the rights as long as whoever gets it cares… the platinum dunes crew are hit or miss as far as quality but they care about the stuff they turn out
Thats true, Platinum Dunes actually put time and effort into their work instead of just rushing the release of a film and making the quality suffer severly as what happend to H2
I enjoyed Zombie’s Halloween (haven’t seen H2 yet) but I do agree that this franchise being sold off to someone like Platinum Dunes or Lionsgate is probably for the the best.
the halloween franchise needs to go to Platinum Dunes asap.
It doesn’t really matter where the Halloween rights go, there will always be disagreements and arguments about how good or bad any new Halloween movie is. The Halloween franchise should probably just be put to rest now. This isn’t meant to be an insult to anyone here, but Halloween fans are picky. Very, very picky, so nothing will ever be agreed upon as “good”. The only Halloween that’s universally hailed is the original, every other movie in the series is either “okay” or “crap”, depending on who you ask.
Thank God. H3D would surely ruin Rob’s vision altogether. “Halloween” always does well in the international market, Robs “H2” is not dead yet, it still has to get it’s overseas release. Lets see how well it does then as Robs “Halloween” was quite popular.
I’m still confused, because a lot of you guys keep saying H3D is a rumor & that it won’t happen at all.
But, it’s been confirmed on Halloweenmovies.com
I find it funny, actually. H2 would have done better had some of you guys actually paid for a ticket instead of sneaking in after paying for a different movie. Support the franchise that you love. As bad as it was in some of your eyes, did you not ever stop to think, “hey, maybe if this movie BOMBS, they won’t make anymore sequels.” It’s coming back to bite you guys in the ass. :finga:
Exactly how I feel. Destroyed by its own fanbase.
Wrong gents, wrong.
The handful of guys on this site that chose not to support Trancas has nothing to do with the fact that the movie bombed. The film went nowhere due to bad filmmaking in the masses eyes. The studio was unhappy, the execs were unhappy and it showed in ticket sales.
The overseas market is being cutback as of now. Dimension UK has cut it’s staff by 70% and is on the way out for good. And as of today, I was told Bob and Harvey have ZERO plans to spend what little money they have left on overseas distribution and even LESS money on the DVD release marketing. This film is done, H2 is officially a write off in their eyes and this is coming from one of their closest friends who spoke TO THEM 48 hours ago.
20 guys on the internet who decided to sneak in had nothing to do with the film taking a nose dive. What some of you younger guys don’t seem to understand is this, they did major marketing research after 2007’s RZH. It came back seriously on the negative side, hence why they didn’t wanna go the Zombie route for H2, but again, Malek lobbied his ass off and won the argument. Then, as I mentioned before, Bob and Harvey began working on the H3D/H3 idea as H2 was taking place. They knew what they wanted with H3D/H3 from the start of H2’s production. What they DIDN’T bank on, is that H2 would put them in the hole bigtime. They knew they didn’t like the idea, they knew that they weren’t interested in Rob for the sequel, but they never imagined it would be THIS bad.
A bad movie is exactly what hurt the film, not a handful of guys here. Bad reviews across the board is what hurt the film etc.
Halloween II will not bankrupt TWC, other things will. Halloween II cost 15 million to make with the advertising budget included, it’s right now domestically at $25 million…so that’s 10 million positive right there. Still, they haven’t even counted the international markets yet.
TWC/Dimension was in trouble LONG before Halloween II because of other box-office failures and bank-loans percents.
People’s personal opinions are coming into play. Call the movie what you want; a failure, wretched, shit, garbage, junk…etc. Still Halloween II was profitable, maybe not up to par for some critics, some fans or studio execs…but still profitable. You’d hope TWC didn’t put all of their eggs in one basket and I’m sure they didn’t with this movie.
Here is a link to the box-office results for the Halloween franchise that all you have to do is click on any Halloweens and find out their budgets, domestic grosses and international grosses.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=halloween.htm
You’re right, it made $25 million but what you aren’t taking into account is what it cost them to promote, sell, and market the film. Those numbers haven’t been disclosed publicly, but from what I’m told it was so much they they haven’t come close to recouping their costs on H2. Thus, failure. The numbers don’t lie. They also have to promote, sell and market overseas as well, and I’m being told that they don’t have the money to do that, thus poor return numbers are expected overseas as well.
And in the longrun, they plan to spend only a fraction on the DVD release.
The film is a failure by the numbers, and the numbers are the ONLY thing that matter in the end.
A budget for a movie should include the advertising (Promote, Market and Sell) budget, unless other wise specified. So since that information, if any has not been specified publicly we have to concur it’s a 15 million budget. (Also, if a studio decides to promote the movie OUTSIDE the budget allotted, that is the studios budget not the films budget.) Overseas Distribution is a different ball game, usually they will find an overseas distributor and go from there monetarily. I don’t think any Halloween was released in Europe or Asia as the same distributor as in the US.
The movie has made 25 million domestically, minus the 15 million budget. That leaves 10 million profit and counting at the box-office. Those are public numbers and numbers that are followed by stock annalists and people who buy stock in a publicly traded company and those numbers don’t lie.
So, until TWC or Trancus comes out publicly and say’s Halloween II was a financial failure at the box-office and TWC will claim bankruptcy we are being judgmental.
Honestly I think a lot of it is just hear-say and Chinese whispers. Until TWC make an official statement on this I’m putting it up there as B.S. Considering the profits TWC have made in the last 15 years compared to what they have spent it is truly hard to believe and if it doesn’t make sense to me logically 90% of the time it isn’t true.
Kirk,
I’m told it was the shooting budget, not including marketing/promotion etc. And Dimension does their own overseas distribution, atleast they used to, they just closed up shop in the UK and are going through the rest of their offices domestically and internationally and cleaning house. So, who is paying for it now? They don’t have the money, and any smart investor isn’t going to put money down to promote a film that bombed at the box office. That’s just the way it is.
And keep in mind, this is coming from the horses mouth. Disney cut ties with Dimension when the boat was going down, but my “guy” and Harv and Bob are good friends and have been from their days in Western New York. This info is coming directly from the mouths of the men involved.
As for an official statement from TWC, it won’t happen. Harv is kinda a hard ass and doesn’t like to officially admit when things go bad, he’s been that way for a looonnnggggggggg time I’m told. He knows he’s that way, and is fine with that. Expect to see them quietly close up shop, no fanfare, no “official releases” etc. I’m also told that they might stick around and do DVD releases and such, but not much more than that. Things are very, very bad over there and it’s not looking good at all for the future of Halloween under the Dimension umbrella I’m told.