Agreed! Spooky is a good cat, he makes valid points as well without any harshness etc.
And Spooky, I gotta tell you, there were things about H2 I fully enjoyed, the lighting, imagry and some of the scenics were incredible looking. Overall, I didn’t like it, but there were things that I saw that looked amazing.
ya, no sarcasm intendended on my part. . . . i genuinely appreciate more intellegence and maturity in these forums. .
you both are cool cats. .
if you cant tell by my banners, i loved the film! lol
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LOL ! I kinda got that impression !
I’ll take a drink to fnshow and spooky
Great stuff all around fellers.
I am in the middle of the discussion. While I will admit that H2 did not live up to expectations, I don’t think it is a bomb. Waterworld was a bomb. Movies that cost 30-50M and make back 15-20M are bombs. H2, if it has not already done so, will absolutely make back its budget + advertising costs. I don’t think H2 killed TWC as much as I DO think that Bob and Harvey themselves killed TWC. What did they expect H2 to do? Surely they saw the tracking, heard the rumbling, and realized that they not only opened up directly against another (gimmicky) horror flick, but they also went into competition with one of their own films on the second weekend. It just does not make too much sense to me.
Blake is a good lad as well, always has insight, never drops a wealth of attitude etc.
I also agree, I think bad decisions was the nail in the proverbial coffin of TWC. Will they pull out of the quicksand? I’m not sure. I suppose time will truly tell.
Thats a very good point you made, it opened up against another one of their films…very bad decision on their parts
Man, who the heck knows. In the past, I would say definitely, just because there will always be people with a ton of money to throw around, including banks. Now, I’m not so sure because of the state of the economy.
So, first off I’m new. I fully appreciate an intellegent debate on H2. The H2 Myspace page is a joke. People aren’t open to other people’s opinions and it’s overall just bashing each other. I personally disliked the movie. But like twf’nshow, I could definitely find good in it. Overall, the negatives outweight the positives, for me.
Now on to H3D. I think they could erase everything negative in H2 by simply having Laurie wake up screaming in the hospital in the begining of 3. Pain meds can=crazy dreams sometimes, explaining the dreamlike imagery of 2 and potentially erasing everything that was negative in the movie. Also it could potentially give H3 more of a hospital setting. What do you guys think? It wouldn’t disregard RZ’s films, so the H2 fans could still have that. But it could possibly save the story line for fans of the original.
Welcome to the board man…as much as I dislike using the easy route of Laurie waking up and having an entire film be all just a dream that might be the only way to go at this point. I really liked the hospital setting in H2 and believe that RZ messed up by having it all be a dream. Instead of having it be all a dream…this is how I believe the scene should have gone:
After Buddy dies Myers looks through the window as Laurie tries to be quiet. Myers suddenly begins to burst through the window as Laurie cries (not screaming retardedly like she did in the film). She goes as far back under the desk as she can holding her mouth. The noises stop, police sirens are heard and Myers is no where to be seen.
The possibilities of what should happen next are endless as long as there is no ghost sherri or young mikey.
Maybe:
Laurie expresses her fear of Michael to them and tells them what happend. They take her to another hospital and the rest of the film is a mix of the original halloween 2 and the new one but remains in the hospital the majority of the film.
Or have the film skip a year after that happens and Laurie is paranoid expecting Michael to pop up anytime but he doesn’t come back until that halloween.
Have Loomis realize he is being a dick at the book signing and change back into the Loomis we all know and love and try to stop Michael. Laurie does not kill Michael the same way, if she does…DO NOT have her put the mask on and look ridiculous again.
Where’s the doc with the delorean when we need em?
Part 5 never lived up to the promise Part 4 ended with.
If part 3 does the same thing. It will be a damn shame. I can’t believe how many people want a clone of the original part 2 now. Really? Have we reached that nothing original and new phase of fandom now? Does everyone really want them to just do it again like it used to be, beat for beat.
Laurie is totally insane now. There’s a movie there. Is Myers still around or is he in her head. Call it simple all you want. It would be a shame to continue on with the Rob versions of these characters, while ignoring the events of the second film by reworking/denying/converting parts of them into an illusions. We already did that crap for part 8.
See for me, if you ignore the part 2’s events, you’re basically making another part 2 flick again, and probably covering much of the same ground that RZ’s part 2 already covered.
When the hell did this franchise become Dallas??? Ignoring/Revisioning part 2 is dumb, unless its a complete remake all over again with all new versions of those characters.
Part 3 should be Lauries story.
Part 3 could be a lot like the Part 4 John Carpenter really wanted- Ghost/Force myers, and what all the fans really wished part 5 would be. Laurie is Michael now, or damn close. I don’t want another cranked to 11 remake of a previous film with tons of scene and plot replay.
See, I don’t think a scene by scene remake of the original pt.2 would be lucrative for anyone. I personally don’t want to see that. I love JC’s Halloween 2. But I also didn’t want to see what RZ turned Halloween or Michael into. To me, Michael Myers was the boogey man. I mean, in JC’s Halloween. how many times did we see Michael at all? Now we’re seeing him with a beard, hanging out with his mom in his winter coat. Man, I just don’t get it. I don’t want to see his face. It was so unnsecessary. I understand RZ’s intent on trying to create a more realistic killer. But real people shit too. Do we have to see Michael shitting in the woods too? Michael Myers is the boogey man (dark, mysterious, unknown, pure evil). RZ’s Myers kinda looks like my dad a little. People are more afraid of the unknown or what the can’t see, I think.
I’m sorry, I apologize, I’m way off topic. But I guess bottom line is; I don’t want an exact replica of H281, but maybe a little more homage (sp?) to the original. And way less of a character change for Loomis and Michael. I can see how Laurie is messed up, but the “666” and the “FTW” tattoos seem a little over the top, to me. But that’s RZ’s metal style he incorperated into the film.
One last thing I have to get off my chest (again off subject of H3D update, so I apologize) but, Sherri Moon… Ughhh. I effing cringe every time she says the word “baby”. I don’t know why, but I do. And it seems like she says it in every movie she’s in… Again, I think a totally unnecessary addition to H2 along with her horse. It was VERY F13/Donnie Darkoish, imo.
i think RZ h2 shouldve ended with Michael killing laurie right after he killed loomis, then bracket shots Michael and call it a wrap. i wouldve liked to see that FAR more than laurie in the nut house with ghost mom and the white horse. at this point laurie is worthless, if scout tayler is in the next one she should be there just to finally get killed off.
i wouldnt mind if they went back to the drawing board so to speak. as long as they stay away from the gimmicky elements which inturn help make for a mainstream hollywood horror film, i wouldnt mind seeing an all new cast of characters. of course they can keep tyler as myers just let him get a new ( H1 looking mask) mask.
I would just fear that they (The Film-makers) would resort to creating a terrible entry, like “Sorority Row” or “MBV3D”… about as much depth as a turtle paddling pool…
I think H3D should open up with “flashbacks” of H2. Start from the car flipping and go to Michaels death. Then we see Laurie wake up in a hospital screaming etc etc. Basically everything AFTER the car flip was a dream (I apoligize for that being short LOL). If they want to "bring "back Myers, I think that would be a quick and easy way.
Interesting thread.
Some of it’s correct, but some of it isn’t any more than conjecture. Some of the ‘facts’ are wrong too.
::::::I’m Reposting my ideas from the "opinions on halloween 3d next summer " thread:::::
Personally I’d love to see the film opening up with Myers body being cremated in a crematorium. His unwanted/unclaimable ashes are scattered behind the crematoriums building into the wind, as soon as this happens- Laurie located several hundred miles away at the Litchfield sanitarium- snaps and attacks the nurse watching her. Ripping one of the nurses earrings off of her ear and stabbing her in the eye with it.
You flash cut to a few years later.
Things that should, would, or could happen.
Kids break into the myers house on a bravery dare. One of them gets hurt (falls through a floor)- The other kids leave him there to go get help. We see something moving behind the walls of the house.
A graveyard keeper goes to the graveyard to cover up an open grave to protect it from the rain. He’s a attack by some unseen figure with a shovel. His dog tries to help him. The dogs head is bashed in with a grave stone.
Laurie is seeing shadows as well. She even sees her brothers boots under her door late one night- she closes her eyes- when she opens them back up again they are gone.
She’s made lots of paper mask just like her brother did. Someone/something triggers the sanitariums fire alarm. Laurie sneaks away after all the patients are brought outside to the yard. She steals a car from the employee parking lot and she heads back home to Haddonfield.
You go very suggestive, but you don’t show Myers- it has to be shadows. If he is to be shown you don’t do so until the very end. It would be more of a Thriller this time out, rather than a Slasher- Finally playing with the John Carpenter ideas he wanted to use for part 4. It has to feel a lot like Salems Lot- that’s the best example I can think of when it comes to a town getting messed up and creepy. Salem feels like a vengeful ghost story in an of itself, when it’s not.
Stef,
I’m curious as to which parts you think are incorrect. And why might I ask have you never been considered for script submissions given your history with the franchise in the comic book realm?
Yes I was thinking the very same thing. Stef has written some excellent storylines for the comics that would make great movies. For example “Halloween:Nightdance” with a few little tweaks could make for an excellent screenplay and a great one off “Halloween 3D”
That would be awesome, sounds a lot more like how a Halloween film should be. I really wish they would take their time and make a film more along the lines of this route instead of taking halloween into the gimmicky 3D which will definitely not be like this idea at all
I like this take on it It’s Alive 
. I like the “Salems Lot” feel to it. Evil as a force invading a small town around Halloween. Teenagers and Children going missing leading up to the 31st. A babysitter and the kids found slaughtered in the early hours of the 31st by the parents.
A light seen in the upstairs window of the Myers house but no one has lived there for years.
A large shape seen at the end of peoples beds that vanishes when the light is switched on.
Events become more and more violent as Halloween approaches. Something like Carpenters original “The Fog”… The spectre of Myers growing stronger as more and more people fear IT is back.