The H1/2 Hero Paint Job, Theories and Opinions... Discuss!

With all of the negativity swirling I thought it would be a good idea to make a positive, informative, discussion-filled post surrounding the paintjob of the hero, who made it (DPS or TLW), the weathering, etc… So let’s get to talking!!

A lot of what got me thinking was this old thread: http://michael-myers.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=119387

So from it I will be drawing conclusions and responding to some of the posts in it [emoji3]

Was the mask painted all white, or did it start out with fleshtones?:

  1. Jason and several other people’s theory is that the H1 mask always had the heavy neck fleshtones like in this photo:

Most cite their reasoning being that there’s no color photos of the mask with an all white neck, so it must have been that way the whole time- they’re kinda right, there are no color photos showing that, but I think these B&W shots show that there are no neck fleshtones present during early filming.

Even though it’s in black and white you can clearly see there’s no change in tone on the neck, if there was it would get grey like in the photos below, where there’s a clear change of tone where the fleshtones are:

I personally think the mask gained weathering and dirt as the film went on due to handling, maybe black spray on the hair? There’s some talk that the coveralls were lent to production by a crew member, perhaps (since it was a mechanic jumpsuit) they had grease on them that got on the mask. Just a thought!

The Fleshtones, End of H1-End of H2:

Now for more about the neck weathering…
The next thing about the weathering on the neck… it kind of bleeds into H2.

You can make out a distinct pattern of weathering on the neck in the final days of H1 shoots, here:

You can make out that same weathering pattern, 3 years later during mid-H2 filming:

In that previous thread, mammer says this:

When that thread was popular, I agreed. But the research above that shows the same weathering patterns carrying on, and that they aren’t so different after all.

Here’s another shot showing the same weathering mark that carried over from H1 to H2:

Now there’s not really a good color shot of the proper left side of the H2 mask during filming, but seeing above how the we can identify the weathering of the neck fleshtones as being almost EXACT between H1-H2, with the exception of more black “weathering”, we can conclude that everything behind that red line I drew on the neck is a pearly or “dirty white”. I think the reason it looks this “dirty” almost pearly translucent white is because of a thin coat of paint on the neck. It’s like you can almost see the flesh poking through the white, kind of how it does on the upper corners of the Hero’s eyes:

Then cut to post filming and the proper left side of the hero seems to be all flesh tones:

But is it? In the previous thread Billy stated that he believed the reason so much flesh appears in the Polaroid photos is because the flash is washing out the white, which at first I disagreed, but now I think he may partially be correct.

I have 2 theories now for the fleshtones on the neck in the 1985 Polaroid shots.

Theory 1-

According to crew, they cleaned up the hero after the blood tears scene, which means that they probably wiped the whole thing down. What if when they did this, it took off the “heaviness” of the weathering, especially the black weathering marks on the neck/face, bringing them down from black to grey, and also stripped away even more of the white paint on the neck leaving a visible “fleshy poking through white” layer on the sides of the neck? Then when the Polaroid was taken, it washed out the white and gave us that all around “fleshy” appearance we see?

Theory 2-

After the Blood Tears scene they wiped down the hero and that took off most of the dirt around the neck, but also took off the white paint on the sides giving it an all flesh neck that was then repainted between 1985 and 1986, the following photo was taken in ‘85:

The Alleged “Repaint”

It’s a hot topic issue that the hero was either repainted or not ever repainted while in Dick’s possession.

Dick says that the mask never left his possession and never had a repaint, while the photos of the hero in 1981 and 1985-onward show a different story.
For me, it’s hard to believe that the hero didn’t have a repaint, the 1985 Polaroids and every picture of the hero after 1985 have been great evidence that it did while in Dick’s possession. I’ve yet to come up with, or be presented, reasonable evidence that it did not get a repaint while he had it besides Dick’s testimony. Does anyone have thoughts or opinions on this that they’d like to share?

So let’s assume the neck 100% had paint touch ups to the front of the neck, the question then becomes not “if”, but “when”. In Dick’s possession and he simply doesn’t remember, or was it done on set?

That’s where it’s broken down into these options (for me):

A. The hero had a sloppy repair/repaint of the neck it’s last days on set, but not thick enough paint to stop the fleshtones from being drawn out in the Polaroids if both horror masks and the photos of Tom Morga/Dick Warlock.

B. Dick had a repaint done somewhere between 1985 and 1996, but doesn’t remember.

Face Repaint?

Either way, I know one thing after all this research… The hero’s face was NOT repainted. Or at least not with a thick layer of white. When comparing the hero in 1985 vs 1996… Most of the weathering is still there. Check it out-

It’s just duller- is this because the mask was cleaned after the Blood Tears scene? Possibly…

OR could it be that when the neck repaint was done, a thin layer was applied to the rest of the mask so they paint color difference wouldn’t be as obvious?

It’s hard to tell, but the good news is I have a few incoming calls tomorrow from H2 crew who should be able to tell me if any masks were repainted on set. Will update with that information when it comes!!


Hero mask, 1981-2017

IF the face was repainted, it must have been a VERY thin wash… Check this out!!

Same weathering, 36 years later… Absolutely insane!!

Alright everybody… DISCUSS! [emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1]

But in all seriousness, hope you all enjoy the read and I hope it sparks discussion. :axe: :drinkers: :rock:

Still think the mask was touched up, just my opinion. Or at least just part of it was, like the sublte weathering on the forehead and on the lips is consistent but maybe they only touched up the neck, because the flesh tone patterns in H1 and H2 differ very much.
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I think the tear in the neck was patched, and the neck retouched. The face shows no sign of retouching.

I also don’t believe the Hero ever had a totally solid white neck. All the shots of the neck in the film, however fleeting betray a touch of flesh. Most of the black and white shots show tell-tale ‘grey’ on the neck, regardless of lighting.

I’m not sure about paint coming off between '78 & 81. For a start, The lighting and film (and presumably cameras) used are different between both. pictures. However the ‘rubbed’ areas do seem to encroach more on the mouth and neck over time…

Isn’t this from 1985? Friday the 13th Part V. I think Dick was stunt coordinator and Tom Morga the ‘original’ Jason seen in flashbacks.

The neck was definitely touched up after H2, but the fleshtones are virtually the same. You’re circling all different areas on the neck. In the H1 photos our circling back towards the ear more, in the H2 pics you’re circling closer to the chin. Here are the correct areas circled-

Looking at it from the side- it’s almost the exact same, virtually no changes.

Use this point and he Black below it as reference and look again.





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I agree, the neck was retouched. I do however think that the hero had an all white neck at one point. To me, the photo collage you uploaded indicate an all white neck to me- just not a white “under chin”, which may actually be evidence towards a TLW conversion and not DPS.

Sorry, yes that photo is 1985. I have that mislabeled on my original file and in the post, will fix that in the morning (it’s 4:06 AM here). I don’t think paint came off between ‘78 and ‘81, in fact I think it stayed mostly the same. I mean look at the neck flesh comparisons above. It just looks like it somehow got dirtier.


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I vividly remember an interview somewhere where Tommy Lee Wallace said that during the filming of H1, that the crew had to use white face paint like a grease makeup to touch up the mask in places. I’ve never been able to track down that interview but I believe this to be why the look of the mask changes so much

Amazing thread! Before I was aware of all this, it’s easy to watch H2, seeing how dirty and weathered the hero mask was, and therefore assume that they didn’t do any touch ups to the paint, and for that reason, I always thought they should have considering how much cleaner it looked in H1, making it appear very different in H2. Now with all this evidence, it does seem possible they may have actually repainted it after all. I just can’t see how the virtually same crew that made H1 could come on set of H2, look at the mask in it’s rough condition compared to H1, and honestly say “oh it looks alright, close enough” and not clean it up a bit.
Also wanted to point out that you mentioned they used the hero in the H2 blood tears scene. I thought they used the stunt mask from H1 for that scene?

Thanks man!

I agree, it’s strange that production didn’t want to clean it up and match it to H1. My guess is that they intentionally dirtied it up a bit since Michael had been through so much that night? I’m not sure, but I may find out on my phone calls later today.

They used the hero for the blood tears AND the stunt. The hero was used for the steady streams, and the stunt was used for the “messy” blood tears reshoots.

Stunt on the left, hero on the right.




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Nice thread btw man.
I still think the mask was touched up before h2, but still quickly the touch ups wore off. From early h2 mask photos, it appears that the neck is missing some flesh tones that we’re present in h1.
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Ohh, that would be amazing to hear!!


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Oh, I see! I wasn’t aware of that, thanks for clearing that up! Also, I’m very excited to hear what your phone calls reveal :slight_smile:

Thank you buddy :slight_smile:.


Maybe when all the other black weathering was there after filming they added a thin layer of white? Not sure. Or maybe even some of the dirt came off when cleaning it post blood tears? But the fleshtones from H1 remain intact and in the same positions on the H2 mask. I don’t see missing flesh in those H2 pics for some reason, it just looks like a lighter grey possibly from the way the lights are hitting it?

I’m not going to use the H4 cover shot since it’s edited, cut and washed out with the sepia filter. I wasn’t gonna use the “Michael approaching from the darkness shots” because of the shadows, but I figured I could try to. I find it best to use direct shots in full light from the same angles, that way shadows don’t play tricks on us.

In this one you can see the same white patch is still there, it’s just slightly covered by the new black weathering.

More comparisons:

Hopefully I should get answers soon on the H2 set stuff like repaints/repairs to the masks, as well as the reshoot scenes


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If the mask did in fact always have flesh tones, what do you think that means? Does it lean towards the DPS or TLW theory?

One thing I think was done on purpose was the weathering of the light white paint in he corners of the eyes. It stays consistent from H1-H2.





Something else that would be helpful is if billy chimes in. He has all this unseen H1 footage I wonder if he could tell us if there are any shots with an all white neck. He also has pre-production video of someone wearing a kirk, now THAT I would love to see. It could be our peak into the hero in Kirk form, or maybe one of the other 2 masks!




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Dang, how did this guy billy get all these shots and why aren’t they released on videos or books

the way I see it is that Nick pulled off the hero be pinching the big of the nose, then of course Warlock grabbing the hair on the hero caused his hands to get black of course, so all that black is from him pulling the mask on and taking it off, but I would love to see how it looked between 1 and 2, like when Warlock first put it on to see Rick

Is that black spot under his lips dirt or flesh tone ? I dont think that spot was on the mask for to long as i cant see it in any other pictures.
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That’s a shadow being casted from nick stretching the mouth of the mask outwards and down

Hmm are you sure ? You might be correct, but it didnt strike me as a shadows when i first looked at it.

I’m very sure. In a lot of worns I’ve taken when I do the stretch, it creates and shadow on the other side of the light source.

He bought them after they were found in storage, I believe. He hasn’t released them because no studio has asked lol.

That’s what I’d like to believe as well.

And me too! I’m curious if Nick or Deborah took any photos of it between films.

Mammer’s correct, definitely a shadow I believe. If you look at other photos of the hero during that same point in filming, there’s no weathering there.




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