I love Halloween II, but I’m not a big fan of Dick Warlock’s Michael. His movements were extremely slow and robotic.
The mask looked weird on him. And he looked way too short. That’s something that always bugged me whenever I watched Halloween II.
Nick Castle was 5’11/2. With shoes he was effectively 6 feet tall. Michael being tall and slim for some reason creeps me out. That’s the overall physique I prefer for Michael. Tall and slim.
My second unpopular opinion is I kinda dislike Halloween 4. I used to think the movie was just ok ish, but re-watching it recently, It’s aged like milk.
The writing and dialogue is some of the worst in the franchise. This movie wastes Loomis just as much as Part 6 did. The redneck characters are cringe worthy. Michael acts more like the Terminator.
The mask is the worst in the franchise. I generally don’t care that his eyes are covered, the facial features are much more important. The mask looks like a marshmallow with a painted on face.
The third act is the second worst in the franchise. Not only does it not make sense how he got under the truck without them seeing. But the whole concept of him fighting people on top of a moving truck is just ridiculous, it sounds like something from an action movie.
I think Danielle’s performance is pretty good. But besides screaming and running, Jamie doesn’t do anything. She’s basically a walking plot device to explain why Michael is killing people.
And her being a kid is not an excuse. Tommy Jarvis killed Jason Voorhees in Friday the 13th Part 4. There’s been many movies where the protagonist was a child, and they did stuff.
Re-watching this movie, it made me appreciate 2018 a lot more.
Michael should have hurt or killed Tommy Doyle in H1.
The schoolyard scene would have been much more poignant AND relevant if Michael hurt or killed Tommy. He kills or hurts EVERYONE else he stalks in the film, except Tommy, which, I guess, is a testament to Laurie’s devotion to protecting the kids. One of the BEST stalking scenes in the film (Michael in the car stalking Tommy) is basically just a tension device… it could have done SO much more in creating more depth to Michael’s character if he eventually hurt or killed Tommy.
It could have been done off-screen for that matter.
Great thread! I am not too big of a fan of Nick Castle’s grunts whenever he kills, especially during the scene where he stabbed Bob. I guess you can argue maybe it adds more of a human element to him?
To add, Laurie’s whimpering at the top of the stairs after she finds Annie and the others is HORRIBLE. As is Annie’s death scene. The slow cross-eyed slumping should have been cut.
Definitely! I’m curious what you’ll change regarding the scene if they were to reshoot it?
I’m not a huge fan of the Castle stretch. While I can see why the ghoulish look of the vertically stretched mask is appealing, I always preferred the more neutral look of the mask on Tommy Lee Wallace.
H2 is slow, and bores TF out of me as soon Michael leaves the neighborhood.
I like the Halloween 4 mask if only because it’s the last mask to have derived from a Kirk mask. That alone makes it more appealing than any mask that has come since.
I love H2, but the brother/sister thing not so much.
Love the first 3 movies…hate Halloween 4, immensely. I think Halloween 5, with the thorn guy footage at the beginning, is so much better than Halloween 4.
Do you mean Annie’s death scene?
I wouldn’t change a thing besides cutting the scene by about 5 seconds. The whole scene is brilliant, except Carpenter let it roll a little too long and Nancy Loomis’ acting fell apart toward the end (not her fault).
H3 is better than H1.
H4 is better than H2.
H3>H1>H4>H2. Ask me on a different day and I might have a different answer, but this is generally my ranking.
I also love the mask from H4. Does it have the uncanny element of the original hero? Certainly not. But I still find it incredibly creepy in its own right and have no problem suspending my disbelief that 10 years later the same mask would not be available but that The Shape would find a suitable replacement.
My unpopular opinion? I love the H4 mask, in fact it’s my second favorite in the series, just behind the H1. I am so incredibly tired of everyone hating on the H4 mask. In my honest opinion, it’s by far the creepiest mask in the series, simply due to how blank, plain, and emotionless it is, along with the blacked-out eyes, just as Loomis described Myers himself. Yet ironically, that seems to be what most people dislike about it.
I believe people are looking at other masks in the series, especially the H1, see all the details they have, then they take one glance at the H4, see how plain it is by comparison, and then just simply write it off as “cheap”, “garbage”, instead of actually looking at it more deeply. I’ll also say that I believe it’s a perfect mask for H4, being such an incredibly atmospheric film, because the mask almost has a “ghostliness” to it. Hate all you want, but to me, the H4 mask captures Myers’ character perfectly, second only to the H1 of course.
I’m gonna play a reverse uno card and say that I actually preferred the way dick warlock walked compared to castle, I see his “robotic” movement as more of a possession, in the words of Dr loomis “what was living behind that child’s eyes were pure and simply…evil” “you’re talking about him as if he was human, that part of him died long ago” I see Michael Myers as more of a entity, the boogeyman, not a man so the way Warlock portrayed him was incredible, it was like he was just an unstoppable force trapped in a mans body using it for destruction.
That brings me to another unpopular opinion, I felt Nick was TOO human, just felt like an average serial killer stalker that was just getting started out, he felt like a crazy average man under the mask I’m not saying I didn’t love his portrayal as Michael, I just think Dick did it better in terms of being “pure evil”.
His breathing is iconic but once again made Michael feel too human.
I feel like the last of Michaels humanity was killed after Loomis shot him 6 times and Michael in Halloween 2 was just a walking corpse.
So I view H1 was a slow buildup to H2, which is why H2 will always be my favorite over H1.
The mask on dick also looked way creepier than on castle in my opinion, way more evil.
I think h3 is criminally underrated and I wish the series would of continued with more anthology instead of more Michael Myers, as much as I love almost every single movie in the series it could of been incredible to see more ideas for the series come to life.
Halloween 4 is a fantastic sequel and shows the greatest “Halloween vibes” of any movie in the franchise even more than Halloween 1 by showing the shops in town, the trick or treaters, the school scene, really giving a true insight to what it’s like living in haddonfield. The mask is a bit goofy looking at times sure but it’s still technically the closest we’ve had to the original hero mask since it was a Kirk, it’s creepy in its own right.
I can’t really fault H1 at all.
I absolutely HATE Halloween II. Every single thing about it is just atrocious. I made a long, detailed but clean post about my feelings on this film before but I think it may have been deleted, I’m not sure.
I watched Halloween III once. Never again. Awful.
Halloween 4 has some great concepts and ideas, and most of them were pulled off very well. I am not a fan of George P. Wilbur as The Shape, though. And that mask? Ugh!
The end of Halloween II is absolutely ridiculous. Laurie is able to shoot the Shape in both eyes? Come on now. Loomis ignites an explosion in the hospital to kill one guy? No concern for the other patients? Now having said that Halloween II is my favorite sequel.
Halloween III is a really stupid movie. The plot is stupid. The acting is terrible. Atkins is able to throw the mask w/ his hands tied up over the video camera? There’s a reason no one liked it back in the day.
Halloween IV is the worst of the worst. Michael looks ridiculous. Overall just big and dumb. The overacting by Donald Pleasance is unbearable too. He was so good in the original, helping move the story forward. Unfortunately in each movie his character got progressively worse.
As much as I love H2, I wish it was never made, they should have just gone straight into making Season of the Witch, and doing the anthology series, I dislike Linda’s overuse of the word “Totally” worst part of the script writing, I do love Castle and Warlock as The Shape, I actually wish we had Brad Lorree wear a Creep mask, just to see how he would have looked as The Shape doing his movements and Head Tilt from the deleted Car theft scene, I think the Resurrection coveralls do a great job recapturing the Bagginess we saw in H1 too
I enjoy H2 and Warlock more than H1 and Castle.
Part 4 would be the best sequel if Myers didn’t look like an overweight hockey player in it.
I have to agree here. I’ve always thought how much better of a movie it could’ve been if Castle or Warlock played Michael.
