My Opinion, I love Halloween 1,2 and 3. Thats as far as I go in the series, but for me even though I love H3, Its was down Hill for Myers after H2 was completed. To me the mask were less than honorable to the character. Nick and Dick and a 75 Kirk and there portrayal of the character is hands down the best and I emphasize best on Dick Warlock. I mean the fx guys could sculpt anything in the world and even make it more based off the original and in h5 they give him a receding hairline. If I wanted a high receding hairline Id look in the mirror.
For me the series should have ended with 1+2. Two was great but detracted from the original with the visual violence. I always wished the first two could have been made into one film and concluding there. Halloween will always stand out to me as the penultimate of what a true horror movie should be and should be emulated without question. Anything that came thereafter is a poor copy.
For me it is one movie, “Halloween”. I do not see a “franchise”. If I ever watch the other movie’s it is not with any relationship to the movie, “Halloween”. That’s not to say I don’t like some of them, particularly, Mr. Warlock’s portrayal of Michael in H2. So, for me, it never went wrong.
Halloween 4- Michael can’t kill a 9 year old.
Halloween 5- Amazing opener (LOL) Michael still cant kill her- granted she’s like 10 now. We get another WTF gem when they let him wear his mask in jail. Some dude in a trench coat is behind it all.
Halloween 6- Michael: The incest years. Even worse, this time he can’t kill a baby- Granted the baby has Ben Affleck’s Stand-In protecting him. Only old creepy people are allowed in cults. If you ain’t old and creepy your just murder training bait for Michael.
Halloween 7- Screamoween
Halloween 8- Trick or treat mutherduckers. Film looks cheap, characters are lame and thinner than tracing paper. Plot is retarded. Ending it with a Hardly English speaking Rapper using “I Know Kung Fu” to kill Michael Myers was the icing on the cake.
Yea that’s pretty much when it died.
Halloween- The one we never got, but would have if the series kept playing itself out using the previous films for a jump off point.
The Myers House is converted to a group home for the elderly and mentally challenged. Michael doesn’t kill anyone this time because hey, you gotta keep that theme of easier to kill types impossibly surviving. Maybe the baby from part 6 is all grown up and retarded. He was a product of incest after all. Screw it… Lets go Roy with this one- Instead it being Michael as the killer this time- It’s his tarded incest spawn child from part 6.
“graceyghost” you pretty much nailed it.
The first two films are masterpieces of classic horror. I’d even sneak Halloween III in there, on a much different level. It all should have ended with II, but I lept at the thought of Halloween 4, and watched it. I HATED it at first. I felt it didn’t feel like a real Halloween movie, and yes, Myers was now a MONSTER that couldn’t be stopped. The body count grew, but the only thing that saved it from being awful, was the acting of the two lead girls, and of course, Donald Pleasence. Even the music was good, and after awhile, I dug the opening credits. But 4 is where the wheels started turning. But it made a crap-load of money, and 5 is where it went right off the cliff. As much as I like the music, and LOVE Pleasence in 5 (I love how he’s SOOO off the wall), I Hated it, and it only grew on me a bit more over the early nineties.
So I have to agree with Benny, the ball was completely dropped with Halloween 5. I can tolerate 4 a bit more, but after 5, and without Pleasence, the series was finished for me. I get a kick out of H20 sometimes (they really really tried with that one) and there is a soft spot for 6 for me. But the rest, and I mean all of the rest (including Zombies flicks) are not good.
Hold up guys, Michael DID have a reason for trying to kill Laurie in the original. She, like Judith, was 17; and somewhere within his demented mind, he sort of mistook Laurie for being Judith. I believe this was something either John Carpenter or Debra Hill said…
how can you not like paul rudd?
I agree Benny…!00%…Its the mystery that made him the shape…Pure evil…I would definately say the series started the downward slide with H5 also on into H6…I never did like the thorn bit but or the idea of people controlling michael…But for me its definately started at H5 and ending horribly with H8…Later guys
I was just cracking wise. I like Paul Rudd. 6 isn’t that bad.
The visions in H2 were unexplained mysteries. The white horse was sort of explained, but nothing else was. Most of the people who didn’t like RZH2 complain about this more than anything else. I think Laurie saw what she did because she read Loomis’es book, and she probably saw televised CNN like media coverage on the event shortly after it happened.
phew! I was gonna say…lol
I think Paul Rudd is terribly underrated as an actor. He can do much more than just crack jokes. And if not for H6, he may not have ever made it big.
I also agree that the Sister plot of JC’s H2 derailed the series outright as far as sequels go. After that it was implied that Michael’s sole interest/modus was in killing off his family. It closed the world and the plot potential up. Before this we had no understanding of why he was doing this. I guess if they stayed that way it could have become more like Friday the 13th.
We keep pushing them to make more films, so they do it and it becomes harder and harder for them to make something interesting and entertaining. That’s the nature of the sequel beast.
For me the series crashed with H20 for two reasons: it ignored 4, 5, 6 and for the first time the franchise went into the “mtv horror” direction (like Scream & I Know What You Did Last Summer). But then again that was likely inevitable at the time as that was the popular horror genre of the late 90’s. The first two movies are my favorite, and although I will admit 4, 5, and 6 were not in their league, they atleast had that Halloween feel which could easily be credited to Donald Pleasence. When it was announced that Jamie Lee was returning for H20, I did have high hopes. I very much expected Laurie to show emotion for Jamie, but what we got was that Jamie never existed.
id say after halloween 2 is where it went down hill…
out of all the modern films i think h20 is the better one of them all
I agree with ya. When they ignored 4,5,6 I lost respect and interest in the series. I will agree that they should not have rushed into H5 and which made more problems for making people happy for H6. Jamie should have been the next killer in the Franchise. Instead we get Rappers (h20 and h8) and Jamie lee going down hill with a paper thin story. To be honest with you the producers/owners really don’t see a good movie, it’s all about $$$ and getting a product out there regardless of what it is.
After Carpenter is when it all went south for me. I loved H1 and H2, H3 was a good movie in it’s own right but after that I didn’t really care for any of them at all. I didn’t like any of the other masks and they just didn’t have the same creepy Myers feel to them. They were all about the Super-Human Myers that another member stated and the story lines were horrible.
The first RZ film I can deal with, it wasn’t my favorite, but I can deal with it. The second RZ film in my oppinion was terrible 
. I felt like I was watching a sequel to the Devil’s Rejects, not Halloween at all.
Great Topic!!! 
H5 for sure!
yes H6 had it’s problems…but to me it was just a well shot film. The atmosphere, lighting, mask really set that film in it’s own class and that it is why it’s one of my favorites in the series from a technical stand point…the story…yeah not so much! I dont blame the writer/director of H6 though…I blame the previous regime that ruined it!
H20 was way too teeny bopperish for me…yeah JLC being back helped, but the scream music, lack of atmosphere, run time, and a thin script all contributed to an ehhh film for me.
H8…wow…where do i begin? how bout i dont…lol ill just say this…what H8 did well, they did VERY well…what they did bad, they did VERY BAD!!!
then dont even get me started on the remake and and H Poo…i mean 2
After Halloween II… There was a creepiness to the first two… an amazing mask. Those movies were just flat out special…
Part III when I first seen it back when it fist came out in the theaters… I was like… what the hell does this have to do with Michael Myers!!! Obviously nothing!
but… I never got into any of the Halloweens after that! When Rob Zombie came out with the remake of H1 I was a little excited but I was worried that their 8 foot tall giant… or whatever he is… would ruin the erie feel the originals had… I was scared he’d be more Jason’y… and I was exactly right in my opinion. I loved the part when he was a kid… but then when he was grown up it was like ahhh… it went from a “B” movie… to a “D” just like that! Then Zombies remake of H2 was simple horrific… and not in a Horror-ific kinda way… it was someone trying to show up John Carpenter thinking he was the man… and just ruined the movie… but thats my opinion!
H1 and H2… insane… after that… it quickly turned bad!
First Mistake - Halloween III, taking Myers out. Although it was a good film in itself and they picked back up with Halloween 4.
Next Mistake - Halloween 6, big budget studio getting a hold of the franchise.
Recent Mistake - Remaking the original and then continuing that lame story.