pretty much, see when i paint my part 5’ s for customers i make sure they are as movie accurate as i can get them… unless they ask for custom weathering, or chevrons and stuff.
I try to use a better grime method… i try to smooth out the dirt while still making it look natural.
Always fun when this topic comes up XD
There are definitely movie mold masks out there that David made from the part 5 buck-- one was used for promotional purposes and I have that up on the blog. I tried to buy it a few months back, to no avail. Another I’ve seen is unpainted, appears to be white ABS and belonged to an OG collector back in the 80’s or 90’s (no I don’t have the photo). This collector is said to have sold the masks ages ago, but doesn’t remember to whom.
One huge thing I want to say is, in the words of Ronald Reagan: “Trust but verify” – these FX guys often don’t remember details of masks they made from 35 years ago and are influenced by (mistaken) things that fans tell them. ALSO, many of them are outright liars. This is a professional survival strategy in Hollywood–many of them lie, exaggerate, shmooze and try to claim they did something they did not, even if they never lie in their personal lives. I’ve had a Jason actor lie to my face. I’ve also had an FX guy from one of the films lie to get more money out of me when I was trying to buy a mask off him. They’re not all liars of course, and even the liars are often telling the truth–which is why it helps to really gather all the data you can.
That’s what some of us old guys on here have spent over a decade doing and on most of these issues we’ve achieved kind of a rough consensus. Not that you have to believe us! But trust me, its better to use what we’ve been saying as a starting point, vs what some FX guy said in a documentary.
I don’t doubt it… but you see… i see things like a court room… one must verify evidence… hearsay is dismiss able. I have to go on by more than just “he is lying and isn’t telling the truth.”
It’s not to disrespect anyone who also worked hard… but how do you say I am looking into it myself in case people have missed a couple of things…
For example people complaining about the vent holes with good reason… but with my current mask, i’ve learned something the holes are mostly on the right spots… issues are the idiot who drilled them… drilled them the wrong way… which is possibly one reason I should sell my current mask and buy another one expressing to them to make sure the holes are drilled correctly.
there is also the top right hole on the black part of the mask… on the forehead and left temple area as well…
If we were in a court room and one of your star witnesses claimed that the original part 3 mask was leather and that the vacuum formed version was only painted from the inside, you would lose your case. There’s mountains of evidence to prove that what he’s saying isn’t true.
Your defense is that you believe anything these old FX guys say.
The bottom line here is that you’re trying to get 100% accuracy from a mask that cost about $100. It’s not going to happen lol.
I never said what he was saying was entirely truth but I never said it was false either… I think you are not realizing that i’ve been saying this… the whole time… but I don’t dismiss it… either maybe the first mask made was leather… but they thought it was stupid but never made it into the movie so they made another… unless he meant the original mask Shelly wore… easy thing to do would be ask Shelly… if this is the case…
The painted on the inside… I wouldn’t know id doubt it… but I don’t have the original mask no one does… it’s rotted lol
I would claim that we don’t really know… so we would need evidence… to show that wasn’t the case… but issue is that mask doesn’t exist… so how do we prove something that doesn’t exist any longer?
See, I don’t toss their remarks… I test it out and try to figure out if it’s true or not… and then I try to find solutions… until i get an answer. I’ve asked for this mountain of evidence and it seems no one could provide it… I ain’t attacking anyone I am simply being skeptical at both sides… issue is that while you may deny it… one side… tends to have a bit of credibility…
also about the 100 dollars… yes if i am paying 100 dollars which is a lot to someone like me… then yes I expect if there are hole guides on the mask… that the people i am paying… actually drill the holes correctly…
it’s like when people decided to argue that I was wrong and had no idea what I was talking about when it came to the color of the mask and bam… turned out I was right. Even the people who say “I’ve been here for a long time you know nothing.” ended up being wrong… turns out that even with a lot of experience you can miss a couple things as well. The only reason there is no actual more accurate dmc is because no one has retooled it to fix it’s issues… and sadly I am not economic enough… to actual learn to sculpt to fix said issues.
So Idk why you still try to throw that argument around still while I keep trying to show you that is not what I said… or believe.
You’re the one who needs evidence. You need to do your own research.
Some of us have been studying these masks for nearly 20 years. If anyone is believing hearsay, it’s you.
I think you missed the fact, that I was referring to “we” as in me… I was using it as “in court” talk. I ain’t I simply believe if that a person worked on something… while they could be wrong what they say has a bit more value… than say someone who hasn’t worked on it… and so far I haven’t been shown evidence… all I’ve seen is “I have 20+ experience therefore you must believe me.” or “They are wrong on this, this and this…” without showing me… evidence… I can see and say “oh shit my bad you are right.” If i was believing hearsay i would have believed you right away… and yet i remain skeptical with good reason…
but let’s just drop it.
Those misaligned vent holes on the DMC mask have been there for years in the same exact spots. They are’nt misdrilled. My first DMC mask in 2003 had the same placed holes!!
Is empirical evidence not enough? We can plainly see how bloated DMC masks are comparatively, regardless of what Miller says. Moving one single hole isn’t going to change the distortion. I don’t think anyone here is claiming to know for certain where Miller’s mask comes from. My claim is that it doesn’t matter where, it’s form is compromised.
JDF Studios blanks, by way of evidence, are provenly derivative of a movie mask. I’m fine buying from him.
I have no issues with JDF, he and tony jarvis are the only people I know who sell blanks and who I tend to buy from. The Jdf blanks are a bit small though sadly. Do you know anyone other than those two who sell blanks?
Fiberglass masks sells them but are fiberglass and expensive. Crystal lake industries sells fiberglass blanks + staps for it all for 45 bucks.
Opna…I have been on this site a little over a year now. I learned a LOT about masks from members like Auz , Maskgallery, Ghostly shape, Roy Burns and others. Those guys have dissected the subject on masks. Im still a newb when it comes to the FT13th masks. Auz’s knowledge is superior along with maskgallery. These guys are’nt trying to bust your chops on the DMC mask but steer you in the right direction about it. The way that mask that you have of his is painted it is deff not like it was in the movie. Also DMC can’t even put the correct movie accurate strapping on it? What doe’s that tell you??? Up until just recently I still convinced myself it was from the movie mold and I just got a bad mask or two, but the more I see it and read the members opinions on it the more I see it for what it is.
any others? I want to have a list of people… so i can see and order when other people ask for masks.
It’s just a strap they just put on the mask… the original straps seemed to the best the same ones from the part 3/4 but with different rivets and then the straps change in another scene to the striped ones… Well the colors are correct the grime… is just custom panted on the mask to resemble that of the movie… they even told me if i wanted a perfect one it would cost more than 100. I’ve seen their other mask they look great.
The shape at least seems correct… the holes are a bit off at least on mine because they were drilled off the center, the color seems fine. I know they aren’t busting my chops… but the issue is that when i make a point and show a comparison photo people try to avoid it or go around it. The shape seems to match that… of the one scene the only real issue are the holes… well at least the bottom left one who drifts away.
I already ordered movie accurate straps… which should be here tomorrow.
Trust me I am listening, but there are some things that are being said which make no sense… and out of my own studies with colors and such… and Photoshop which i have shown… it simply gets dismissed… avoided or even people go around it.
but like I said it’s better to just drop it.
Outside of JDF and Tony Jarvis …not really
The more pics you post of that DMC mask the more it looks out of shape! Totally distorted in one pic…
Tom Morga wearing a mask by Auz. Best one I’ve seen so far…
Totally distorted.
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OUCH…!!! LOL But Shape is pointing it out here…see for yourself
The DMC mask is more bloated than the Roy, and the lower half lacks the correct taper-- it is far more rounded. The chin recedes much more as well on the DMC, and that’s true at several angles. My best guess is because its a recast of a recast, with his axe cut version being the previous generation.
Also-- David Miller confirmed that this mask is from the original part 5 movie buck. As you can see it looks nothing like what he produces. It much more closely resembles Crash’s part 3/4 as well as the movie mask itself.
We don’t mean to squash your curiosity at all. Its good that you want to know more. But we’ve been through every detail of this already for years and years and you have yet to bring up evidence or ideas we haven’t already debated to death.