Looking at these pictures the vent holes seem really off to me On the Roy movie mask. That’s a finer detail I never paid much attention to. But looking at a DMC mask the chin vent hole from center on the masks right (left side when looking at it straight on) appears to be higher than the center vent hole next to it; and in the movie mask it appears even or below it. And then the cheek cluster on the masks left (right side when looking straight on at it) appears to have the spacing much different than the movie masks; among other inconsistencies. However the hallucination movie mask seems to match up much better with the DMC masks in terms of vent hole placement. Any chance he uses the Jason Hallucination movie mask/mold as the buck/mold for his masks and not the Roy movie mask/mold
I don’t believe the MM was used to make the masks seen in part 5. I think they recast the part 4 hero. The part 4 hero was definitely on set and the snaps and straps were removed and then replaced with screws or bolts. I think they removed the hardware to make a mold. The gif below shows how well the Roy mask and the part 4 hero match up.
Also, on the Roy mask, you can see indentions where the cheek snaps would be on the part 4. The right side is hard to make out the but left side is clearly visible. The placement of this indention is lower and closer to the vent hole. However, the indention on the MM is higher and a bit further away from the vent hole. The indentions on the Roy mask match up very well to what I can see on the part 4 hero.
I think the MM didn’t show up until part 6. There’s plenty of evidence to show that it was recast to make the masks for that movie. Even the chevron and straps were changed during this time. Also, the cheek rivets match the part 6 masks extremely well. If you notice, they’re lined up almost evenly. Look at the part 3 and 4 masks. They’re horribly misaligned.
This gif I made doesn’t prove anything but I thought it was interesting lol.
Very thorough and awesome gif! Very thought provoking.
Auzorann, you hit the nail on the head.
One thing that gets me though is that chin defect that seems to be on the 3,5, and possibly 6 masks.
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The ‘chin defect’ you’re seeing is clay added to enlarge the Fibrosport in 1982.
Oh really, I️ didn’t know that! I️ always thought they just took the finrosport, vaced it, and kept doing that again and again until it was he right size. Had no clue they added clay also!
Thank you for that
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Interestingly the mouth holes on the DMC Hallucination mask seem to align more correctly than the Roy, even if the shape around the lower half is still way off from the movie masks… wonder if the DMC Roy is a retooled or repaired mold of the DMCH, which could in turn be a (bad) retool of a movie mask.
What I’d love to know is which mold the Neca part 3/4 masks come from.they almost look like a frightstuff ,or possibly a jdf casted.never had a jdf in hand but I do have a neca 3 and frightstuff and there very close. The necas suck,really not accurate and too heavy,but the shape looks good I think and that’s why people have bought into those.
Sorry for resurrecting an old thread…but I was watching part 3 again the other night and that mask is huge. I never really paid attention to the size of the mask with close detail until this thread. Considering Richard Brooker was well over 6 feet tall that mask was bigger than I realized. There are scenes where the mask looks to extend 2 inches above his head and an inch or two below it.
So my question is regarding the mask sizes currently available from artists on the market. According to the fiberglassmasks website their part 3 masks is 10 and 7/16 inches long. I can’t find listings from other artists. Does anyone know how long day a JDF 3 blank is or a Crash 3 etc? Just wondering how they all compare.
Please don’t apologize! The thread is amazing and I consider it far from dead. Still so much mystery left to be solved. I also noticed that it is quite large in the film. I think I have the JDF measurement somewhere, one sec!
I noticed those bumps on the side of the nose of the Mystery Mask actually come through to the frontside of JDF blanks. It’s surprising what subteties vacuumforming can pick up!
Awesome! and yes it’s totally crazy what vacuumforming can pick up! I watched a Crazydog500 video where he does a vac pull of an Arnold Schwarzenegger lifecast and the details it picks up blew me away!
Just a thought: Does this 1989 promo poster point us closer to the theory that the Part 8 mask is a recast of the Part 6?
Well it certainly points to that being the case. Nice find!
Reviving this thread with new questions. I’ll try to separate them out and make my questions and statements as to the point as possible.
1. The JDF Part 3 Blanks being a different size (smaller) than the Hero part 4 mask.
Lets say for instance that Dario’s photo of the mask’s measurement IS fake and that the beginning of the tape measurer is dangling up high in front of the mask. That may give us the incorrect measurement of 27.75 cm (approx) for the mask as a WHOLE, but it does give us the correct measurement of the mask from top of the nostril hole to the top of the mask, 17.75 cm (approx). When measuring from the top of the nostril hole to the top of the mask on a JDF blank, it measures the same distance, 17.75 cm (approx). So wouldn’t it only make sense that since that measurement is the same the rest of the mask is?
HOWEVER, another thing that I have noticed when studying Dario’s measurement photo, I noticed that the tape measurer that he’s using is a stiff one, where all other measurement pics I’ve seen are with a flexible one. Maybe this has something to do with it?
2. The part 5 hock being cast from the Hero part 4, or from the Mystery mask.
Okay, earlier on it is shown in a gif by Auz (thank you!), he compares the Part 5 hero with the Part 4 hero and mentions the placement of the rivet dents matching up, but when you look at their (rivet dents on P5 hero) placement compared to the ones on the Mystery Mask, it’s my opinion that they match up even closer. Pic below.
3. Who’s wearing the mask in that Production Photo?
Pretty basic question, do we know who’s wearing the mask? Is it confirmed that it was taken from the production of Part 6? Notice the wearer has a shaved head, was there a kid extra with a shaved head on set? Can the surrounding items/set in the photo be matched to any sets on Part 6? Also what is that item up on top of the VCR? Looks like the puppet Tommy has in his bedroom in Part 4.
Hopefully this provokes more discussion on the matter!
Like you said about the measurement photo, he’s using a stiff tape. It probably bends around the mask differently than a flexible one would. I don’t think the photo is great evidence of the actual size. And I’m not saying it’s fake, or that Dario is lying about it. I’m saying there’s room for error, and I don’t consider it hard evidence.
As for whatever the origins for the Part 5 buck might be, it’s hard to say or prove with any of the photos we have of the masks. It might be good to mention that the snaps on the mystery mask were also removed (due to the circumference marked around each) and replaced with rivets. This is apparent in every confirmed photo of the mystery mask (from the tv spot forward).
The evidence we have that dates that photo to Part 6 is the fact that Will Forsche posted it, and the forehead chevron. Otherwise, we can’t be too sure I suppose. Even so, it’s strange how many chevrons that mask has gone through.
Wow, quick response! Great. I may buy a JDF blank and do some experiments with it. When studying Dario’s pic the tape is straight from the top to the nose, at which it bends downward. I don’t think it’s great, hard evidence of the size of the mask, but if it still matches up to a JDF when using a stiff tape then I’d definitely be more inclined to believe that they’re in fact the same size.
This is true. I wonder if David has any never before seen pictures of the mask from BTS photos. They have a photo of the sculpting of the title screen mask, so you’d think they would have photos of them taking molds of whatever mask they used to make the Part 5 hero. Imagine how easy it would be to piece together these things we pine over finding out 
.
All good points on dating it to the production of part 6. So to be clear, the furthest back we are able to date this mask is to Part 5?
Another photo of the Mystery Mask, as well as the full display.
Interesting… They’re advertising it as a Part 3 mask!
