So Myers is actually dead at the end of this movie?
Well, according to what we actually see in the film, no he is not dead.
If the person above believes the ending was actually just some kind of metaphor on how people will live now with the memory of Michael, then yes, Michael can be conceived as dead.
I do see your angle H78, because after the mob beats Michael down, Michael comes back to kill them, in slow motion and just clips, while Laurie narrates, does seem like it’s just a vision of some sort. Because I was thinking that too as a possibility, but imo, I think what we actually see on screen is actually what happened. Michael killing the mob and him killing Karen. I could be dead wrong. I have stayed spoiler free, so I have no idea how the ending is supposed to be interpreted. If indeed Michael is dead and the Ends movie is just how people move on in life, think I’ll pass on that idea and movie. 
I believe that is the case. Michael Myers is dead, but The Shape transcends death and lives on psychologically and in the form of trauma.
The reason we never get good horror movies anymore is when a complex one like this is made nobody that loves the genre seems to get it.
They can always decide to pull back from the psychological ending given the poor reviews from folks that didn’t understand what they did, but I am completely convinced this is what they were trying to do. This is why it was called a masterpiece by someone that doesn’t like horror films: it’s way, way deeper than a generic horror film.
So if he is dead, I’m guessing he won’t be in Halloween Ends? I’m so confused 
I mean, I have no idea how they plan to write Ends. None of us knew what Kills was about for a long time after it was announced.
Personally, I believe the metaphorical ending to Kills makes this trilogy far, far more interesting if indeed it plays out that way. If we want another installment of stabby stabby with no substance, we have HII → RZ’s H2 for that. I think they’re going for something much deeper with beautifully done sociological-centered storytelling.
The ending of Kills, if taken at face value, makes zero sense. What, Karen walks away while Michael is killing everyone else? She was there too! Then she just walks over to the porch to chill for a bit with Allyson? With the metaphorical twist, it makes complete sense. He’s dead, it’s over. She’s drawn upstairs, looks at herself in the window, and figuratively and literally reflects on her trauma and breaks down.
That is way way way more interesting than thinking “oh well Michael killed everyone out on the street (except Karen for some reason), then hid inside where NO ONE would look for him, while the police and EMTs arrived to close the scene (literally right outside). All this time NO ONE decides to check to see if he’s in there while they’re casually outside picking up the pieces.”
It HAS to be a metaphoric ending or it makes zero sense.
I think people are trying to rationalize what was just a bad film
I don’t know about that. The metaphor immediately struck me. Even the way it was all shot/edited with Laurie’s overdub. I think a lot of people just missed it.
Ya I agree. I can see the ending as a metaphor, but he’s alive and killed all of those people at the end. It’s probably a mixture of the two realities. If Michael is already dead and the shape has now broken the town - how does Halloween end with the next movie? Group therapy lol
Group therapy, no thanks
I personally believe he/it/whatever is alive. I think there are instances in films where the directors, producers etc think too much, overthink things, and outsmart themselves. Don’t make this complicated I would say to them. I do not need a shock and awe movie that makes me ponder inner feelings and PTSD. This is going too much down the psychological road. Just look at how the other escapee dies in this film. Was all that really necessary? I think these guys are trying too hard to make a film to discuss logically. I think alot of discussion will happen between fans of the franchise and there’s definitely gonna be some disagreements, but what else is new
Also just a quick note. Not that rotten tomatoes is a standard I go by, but I do check it from time to time to see ratings and opinions. Last night after I saw the film, 46% rotten from critics and 84% fresh. Just now I looked, 44% rotten from critics and 77% fresh. So it is trending downward at this point. Just an observation that’s all.
Well I think the ending should be taken at face value and he got up after everyone relaxed and then killed them all. Again, what’s left to end the trilogy if he’s already dead. Just makes more sense to me. I get what the other guy is saying about it being a metaphor, but I don’t buy it.
Doesn’t really matter to me what other people think. It was a fun movie with some serious flaws, but very well made.
I agree with you on how the film ends. If it turns out to be just a visualization, then that’ll be another discussion for another day.
That’s your subjective opinion.
For those that are streaming this, when Michael is surrounded by the cops outside his house, are the bullet holes visible on the coveralls? I do not recall seeing bullet holes in the shot where the camera pans up just like the 78 film when Michael’s parents came home to find him outside. Unless the creators were just like “yeah its night time you can’t see em lol” But I didn’t see them unless I just overlooked it.
What’s his name, Tom Jones Jr.?
Jones Jr. plays Loomis in the new movie.
Well at the end shots flash between Laurie and the Shape after he murders Karen, so I’m guessing there’s gonna be some sort of showdown in Halloween Ends.
Plenty of negativity on here about the movie but I actually thought it was mostly excellent, and could end up being my favorite sequel when it’s all said and done. Need to see it a few more times to determine that. On first glance, I enjoyed it much more than 2018.
I will say - they tried to do a lot, and it was a very busy movie. Which isn’t bad, but I think some people are finding it jarring. There’s a lot of overt social commentary and they’re trying to do much more than a slasher. Wasn’t sure how I’d feel about that, but hey, it’s something new for a series that is 12 movies in at this point. Kudos to them for trying to pave some new ground.
I actually thought that they were able to bring back the suspense that was kinda missing in 2018. Michael’s kills are mostly uber-fast in the last movie and left no time for build-up. This time, there was a little more cat-and-mouse, which took me back to 78, 81, H4, etc. While the movie as a whole was faced-paced, the scenes felt more fleshed out than in 2018.
The flashbacks were done extremely well.
The acting had its good and bad moments, but it’s a Halloween movie, so that’s relatively easy to overlook.
The tied together a lot of characters and storylines, and I think they did it well. It was fun having Tommy, Lindsey, Lonnie, Marion, and Brackett return. Some great character development with all of them.
The portrayal of Michael in Kills is my favorite since 78. He’s angry and vicious. They try to explain him and his motives, but don’t overly humanize him in doing so. Other movies (H6, ugh) have failed miserably at explaining Michael, but Kills doesn’t overdo it. Hawkins’ insight into Michael is good stuff.
Re: the theory that Michael was actually killed at the end, and the final few minutes was all metaphor - hadn’t thought of it myself, but it’s an interesting and highly plausible scenario. Would be a cool curveball. But if that means no Michael in Halloween Ends, then count me out.
In the end, a solid 8.5 out of 10. I suspect when Halloween Ends comes and goes, we’ll have a trilogy of films that will stand up incredibly well as a group telling a singular story. Taking Kills just on its own without considering the 2018 movie that came before, or the knowledge that there’s a chapter coming next year to put a bow on everything, is difficult. I think they’ve written these movies so that they’ll be very powerful once we can consider the three of them as a whole.
I enjoyed the film but was hoping the mob had killed him. I kind of groaned when he got up. That was the only part I didn’t like. I thought “here we go again,” as I never liked the supernatural terminator angle. I preferred him just being a deranged individual, like he appeared to be in H1 & H18. If he is unkillable, what’s the point in fighting if he is just going to get up and kill anyway? It takes away the scare if there’s no way to stop him. I have to admit, the ending of the film made me feel a little franchise fatigue. I didn’t think I would considering how much I enjoyed H18. Anyway, I’m going to watch it again at home and see how I feel about it. Overall though, the acting, directing & music all felt top notch. I do understand the gripes that people have with it, but at this point, you just have to enjoy Halloween films for what they are. It’s hard to bring a lot of new stuff to the table.
My understanding was that Michael was a normal child until he suddenly flipped out and killed his sister.
Halloween Kills makes out that he was always a bit weird… which I think takes away some of the mystery.
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