***Halloween Kills & Halloween Ends Discussion***

I agree with Carpenter that there was never a need for one sequel to HalloweeN much less all the ones we’ve received. The only one that justifies its existence to me is H20, which I feel was a much stronger portrayal of Laurie Strode than some fear-mongering survivalist who preps for forty years.

After this series of ill-conceived Blumhouse movies, I’d like to see exactly what you describe: Halloween becomes the anthology series Carpenter and Hill always wanted. Halloween Kills and Ends gives a precedent to using Halloween and another word in the title, so we could “Halloween+Subtitle.” Go all out with all types of horror and even sci-fi, as long as it’s rooted in the Halloween season. For the fiftieth anniversary, they could do an H50 that skips everything, including the Blumhouse crap. I think the only sequel idea that had any merit was the one Debra Hill shot down: Laurie Strode has moved on and is living alone in an apartment building and begins to believe she’s being stalked by The Shape, who’s not been seen since The Night He Came Home. Loomis is her counselor and mentor and she’s studying to become a psychiatrist herself. This idea was very close to Carpenter’s TV movie, “Somebody’s Watching Me!” (which is excellent, BTW) and Hill didn’t think it was realistic that Myers just reappears after a period of years without some explanation as to where he’s been. I know it’ll never happen, but I’d love to see this idea with the roles of Loomis and Laurie re-cast. Whether this is ever done, I just want to see the series become what Carpenter always wanted it to be.

Blumhouse crap? Wow. Disagree there. Got to be honest I agree that nothing will touch the 1978 original, but I loved Halloween 2 and Halloween 4. Halloween 3 also grew on me over the years but obviously it’s a totally different movie that has nothing to do with Myers or what were even talking about lol.
But honestly I thought the 2018 film was better than Halloween 4, probably the third best of the franchise in my opinion. Tbh I don’t really enjoy the other films very much. This is coming from a 44-year-old guy that saw the first Halloween when he was about 10 years old, so I’m a far cry from the new fan but I love what blumhouse has done [emoji2371]

its just a movie…im very passionate about halloween but im not one of those people that hopes it ends…for me…id like to see anyones take on halloween. Also would like for it to stay michael myers…It is his franchise although not the original intended idea, It wouldnt go over so well without him, You could do spin offs though but wouldnt like them to be directly related without Myers

I’d personally like to see the series stay in the slasher-mould, if they do re-introduce the anthology angle.

I don’t think Michael should be killed. I think the end of H78 is the perfect ending. He’s just gone… the boogeyman, the evil, is gone

YES! It’s the perfect ending. What happens next is left up to the audience’s imagination. Of course, imagination doesn’t sell movie tickets, so we’ve been stuck with diminishing returns since that untouchable classic. The 2018 film had promise, but the directors/writers squandered it with horrid writing, directing, and identity politics.

The mask pick up is towards the end of the movie if the rumors I’ve heard are true.

Agreed ,and it’s your typical Carpenter ending as well which is why it perfectly fits, he pretty much always leaves things open ended.

Assault on Precinct 13 we don’t know what happens with Napoleon after his heroics (we don’t even know if he was guilty of the crime he was sentenced for or not), The Fog ends with Stevie Wayne’s ominous narration that the fog is still out there then Father Malone is killed, The Thing ends with both Childs and MacReady not knowing whether the other is the thing, Escape from New York ends with Snake tearing up the tape with the president’s now ruine speech left open ended, Escape from L.A. ends with Snake shutting down all electric power on Earth to re-boot society, They Live ends with Nada destroying the satellite at the cost of his life and then the aliens’ disguises the world over are gone and the results of that left open, Prince of Darkness left with the main character having the VHS-esque dream and then moving to touch the mirror with the movie ending just before his hand touches it, In the Mouth of Madness ends with Sam Neil’s character laughing maniacally then crying as he watches his life unfold on the movie theater screen as the world outside descends to chaos not knowing what is real or his madness, Big Trouble in Little China ends with Jack driving away with the giant beast monster hitching a ride on his truck, Christine ends with the wreck of Christine still being able to move a bit, Ghosts of Mars ends on the assault still continuing, Vampires ends with Jack and the priest continuing the hunt and giving their infected friends a head start before they hunt them, Village of the Damned ends with one of the kids in David still surviving and though he was considered the good one there is an ominous feeling to the ending, etc.

Most great horror films end ominously, at least ones after the 50’s. Plus the three best endings in the Halloween franchise have done so (Halloween, Halloween III, and Halloween IV, heck all of the first six save for II which still had a somber ending). It’s not an action film where you need to see the bad guy lose.

Wow dude I just totally disagree on the Blumhouse film. Totally. The 1978 film is always going to be my favourite for scary movies in general it’s an absolute masterpiece and I have always thought this. You can’t duplicate it.
But I thought 2018 was fantastic and I haven’t heard of anyone throwing it that kind of shade at all. I definitely have a few friends that didn’t think it was that grade but almost all the purists of the franchise that I know of mostly enjoyed that new movie if not loved it. So it’s really weird reading that to me but to each their own. I just think that’s definitely a minority opinion from what I found.

Even though I would be perfectly fine with Halloween Ends ending on Laurie and MIchael killing each other (this is my ideal ending–Laurie dies while at least knowing she did what she set out to do) but the films ends on some kind of note suggesting that evil never dies. I don’t want any indication that Michael actually would come back but maybe before the credits roll we hear a news report of some child killing a fellow family member in another town. Michael may be defeated but something else will always be out there? Idk just some ideas.

That’s the route ONLY route I would be okay with besides Michael disappearing in the end. Maybe as soon as Michael is killed, some 6 year old boy in Haddonfield wearing a mask over his face goes nuts and stabs a family member to death.

Theory: Charlie Bowles created Michael Myers. When Loomis goes to the cemetery, the groundskeeper tells Loomis about a story he heard “about 15 years back” which would be 1963, the year Michael killed his sister. Perhaps Charlie was killed that night after murdering his family so the evil possessed the next kid in line. I don’t know, I’m just typing random thoughts.

This is just how I feel it’ll go, but I feel like Laurie may die in Kills, and that at the end of at least that movie Michael will be victorious, and it will be Allyson who will defeat Myers in Ends. I think that it should be the end for Michael, but I agree that it would be pretty cool to end with the notion that evil never truly dies, even if the bogeyman is dead. How they would present that is up to them, but it would be cool to see some news report about some kid who murders a family member, showing that this cycle of evil hasn’t ended with the Shape.

i definitely think michael is gonna own in this movie and probably walk off in the end or pull his disappearing act…they did say it was a complete movie by itself though so who knows

I think a news report that some six year old has gone nuts on Halloween night at the end of Ends would very good, only if Michael dies.

The Charlie Bowles story from Carpenter’s Halloween has always fascinated me; there was a comic done a few years ago, IIRC.

I like the idea that what happened with Michael Myers, a normal kid until one Halloween night, has happened throughout the country and the world. Lots of possibilities there. Bowles was an adult and changed, though it’s not mentioned if it was on Halloween. No reason that couldn’t be established. No need for bloodlines, curses, or other explanations. It’s Halloween and anything can happen is all you need.

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Hel yeah thats what im talkin about!! im glad its not half bald that woulda been goofy lol i see lots of colors in that not just a charred face ! Should be awesome

I’m really impressed at how the mask turned out. I was hoping that they wouldn’t go overboard with the burned look but they found a perfect balance, it almost makes him more intimidating actually. I’m also really, really glad they didn’t make him bald, it makes me think of the end of Resurrection and in my opinion I really don’t like how he looks in that scene, there’s something about him not having hair that makes it harder for me to take him seriously.

Since the Myers house appears both in the present time and in the 1978 flashback and plays a pretty big role in “Halloween Kills” I wonder if the Bracket and Doyle house will appear in “Ends.” I think it would be cool if the final showdown between Michael and Laurie took place in the Doyle house. Have it be a ‘come full circle’ type ending.

I just hate the idea that Michael HAS to be defeated in the final battle. For once in slasher history I want Michael to completely succeed with whatever his goal is and then escape into the night. Kill Laurie, Karen, Allyson, and everyone else, and then vanish. I want Michael to win, not just at the halfway point but at the very end. Completely and utterly win. :myers:

I know it’ll never happen though.